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The Bawz and Bovril Podcast Episode #6

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This episode of the Buzzem both podcast was originally broadcast in the selty Bo must TV Youtube. Child, I'm actually just going to write. So this is going to be mis see now I'm just checking on the youtube here. Now, guys, which one am I looking for? I'm on the balls on both roll side. But you know, the last one is five a and should not life. Right, let's just have a look. Awesome both, like what. I know. That just play. Yeah, that's it there. That's at number six, episode six, the toplet there, so it's not a yeah, hello and welcome to Celtic rooms TV, the boys and bottles broadcast with your horse mark, Chris and myself, Paul. On today's show we're going to take a look at the last match between Selk and for group. We're going to talk about James Forest and what's what's it been like to have in back? Chris will be taken us through rumors and a new managers and he be also talking about what type of contracts our managers will be on. Then we be moving to life chats, but first I was wont to hand off to mark Mac off to you. Thanks for that, Chrish. Just bus everybody happy East I hope you look any time space quality to your families and not first offer. Just like to thank everybody. But reached over see hundred of subscribers, which, far a couple of weeks is unbelievable. I just like to really think everybody is subscribed and if you haven't, I heard the subscribe button, I would be satanly, what was a massive happy hoopy buffy day. John What John Hutson, the Ledge and what on Legend on the forum, Agg I glad school green. Thank God, so much defies the day. So happy bus to to do? Do you guys actually the all I have to shoose for. So who's we chrise yet? Yes, I'll absolutely yeah, yeah, guys, thanks for tuning in and remember, do send us any messages. If you want to get on live, do follow the skype link that Ed had put up or mark had put up on the forum and so on. If you're not sure what that is and you want to be involved, just send us a message and will send you the link to it. The first thing we're going to have a little look at today is the situation of contracts. Specifically what we're talking about as manager contracts, and what seems to be most common these days for managers is either a fixed term contract or are ruling contract. Now I've been having a bit of a look at this, and trust me when I say at contract law in itself is a very, very specialized field in the legal world and it needs a long period of study. Usually takes years to have a full knowledge of the INS and outs of the many types of contracts that are available. It's, you know, so complex it so that many lawyers actually make an entire career out of it and it becomes their soul area of speciality, whether it's dealing with everyday people like ourselves and every day jobs, or high profile leaders and industry or sport. Now, football manager contracts can be very, very complicated and that's often the reason why they take an awful lot longer to negotiate. Now, metaphorically speaking, no matter what contract is being used for football managers, on one hand some of the content of the contract is greeting the new manager with a smile at the front door when he signs it, but on the other hand some of the content is actually shown them that a results aren't good, the door hinges can open outwards as well as in...

...words and he can be taken that walk just as easily if it doesn't work out. So in effect, what I'm saying is that whilst the salary and other terms will be agreed at the I'dset and the contract, it usually also includes the severance terms as well. So what we're going to look at briefly, and I do mean briefly, are the main differences between a fixed term contract and a rolling contract for football managers and the main pros and cons for each of them and how they affect both parties. So we'll look briefly at a fixed term contract. And we've all heard the headlines and football JOE BLOGS SIGNS Five Year deal to manage united and so on. And essentially what that means is that the manager has a five year deal in the club. If it all goes well, he might get two year, three year or four and then he and the club can perhaps agree a further extension, even though the original contract hasn't ended or even go close to it. So the prose of a fixed term contract well for the club to begin with they have secured the manager for a fixed term and it gives them some foundation to build on moving forward. If he successful and he then attracts the attention of another club, then at least the existing club is in a position where it can demand substantial compensation to help them find a replacement. Now, a big benefit for the manager of a fixed term contract is that he has a greater sense himself of long term security. But he also knows in the background that if it does go wrong then it gives him the chance to settle for a pretty large payoff. So even if he's walking away hurt by the failure, a can self medicate by Bannon you for our or a villain spin, or maybe both. So the downsides of a fixed term contract and for the club, well, they could find themselves paying a huge amount of compensation to get rid of a manager, but it's not working out because he still has the remainder of the contract technically still still to run. Now for the manager, one of the down sides is that a long term could contract could work against him if he if, for a example, his Dream Club comes in two years into a five year contract in his existent club can demand a huge amount of compensation in order for him to leave. It could be the difference between them going or not going. So in effect, the determination of a long term contract can be a very, very tricky affair. And if things are not gone well, even after one season, and the club one a sack him or try to come to a mutell agreement about his departure, then both sides have to sit down and look at the termination of it and they have to do so in a way that suits them. They don't have to think about the other party largely, but they have to do what suits them. And when that happens then it usually comes down to money and it always ends up in a game of captain mouse to work out settlement. So we you know, at the end of the day, you know if if a managers on happy with any settlement. You know the club can also invoke clauses like stopping the manager from working elsewhere for a period of time unless he agrees to some kind of settlement or at least shows as willingness to come to a settlement. From most managers, if they leave one club, what they want to do is try and move on to another one right away. So if they're going to be subjected to Claus as you if we're paying U X pounds, then you can't work anywhere else for a certain period of time. Most managers don't want that and given the high profile nature of the job, it may particularly good to a new employer if the manager shows himself to be a difficult employee at the club he's currently at, bearing in mind that is probably been very, very well paid so far in his career. So, you know, it just it throws up more potential problems if they want to try and terminate a contract partway through it. If everything is going well, like I said earlier, they might come to three years into a five year contract in the sage you know you love us, we love you, let's extend that contract for another whatever it is, period of time. So there are potential issues with fixed term contracts. Now, in start contrast to that, within have the rolling contract. Now, of course it isn't common for players to have role...

...in contracts because it's it's the very length of the remaining contract of a club that usually determines the size of the transfer. FAIA club can ask for a player. So they look upon a player as an asset of the club and it's usually in their interest to have them tied down to you know, if he's a decent player, of course it's usually in their interest to have them tied down to a deal and then reviewed on a regular basis to make sure that he considered that he continues to be an asset for the club. So on it for the purposes of what we're looking at today, we're looking at ruling contracts for managers. Now, this kind of contract is very common in the world of football managers and probably more common than most fans realize. And you in reality it is considered to be a much easier contract to work with, as long as both the club and the manager great at the beginning. You neither are some managers who won't consider a rolling contract because of the potential loss of money if it doesn't work out for them at a club, but I think it's fair to say that in most cases a club will certainly prefer it because it gives them a fixed financial liability if things are not going well and they want to ship a manager Rod. But just like a fixed term contract, are rolling term contract. The terms of it are a grade and at the beginning you know that. That basically you know that doesn't change for any of them and they you the first example of a contract that I are offer rolling contact. That I remember was when Martin Nil joined Celtic. Now I'm not saying it didn't happen anywhere else before, but that was the first one that sort of became important to me. Initially I thought it was odd and I felt that it should a lack of commitment by the club and really by just given a one year rolling contract. But in reality it was and it continues to be, a hugely flexible contract option for football managers, again, as long as both parties are comfortable with it. Now Martin O'Neal said that he had a new count. He had a new twelve country, twelve month contract every morning that he woke up. That was the way his deal was structured and at the time I didn't really know what he meant by that. But when you break it down, what it really meant is that he had an indefinite contract with Celtic and the twelvemonth aspect of it simply meant that either he or the club could give the other party twelve months notice determinate the deal. If the club exercise that option, then the manager would be entitled to twelve months salaries a settlement. And if the manager exercise that option, and so out the contract, then the club knew that they had twelve months to find a replacement manager. Obviously, it could also mean that the club could go out tomorrow and find a new manager and simply pay the existing manager off, and usually that would be completed without any objection. So the being benefits of a rolling contract for the club is that they have a defined payoff. They not well in advance. If we ever want to get rid of Jimmy, then basically what we're paying is a one year salary for the manager himself. The benefit he has is that he has twelve months salary guaranteed and neither party needs to get involved in this game of Captain Mouson, arguing about how it's going to be settled and so on. Now the down side. There is, of course a downside for both parties to a rolling contract for the club. Let's say they're bring a play our manager in and he has been hugely successful for them, then another club could come in and try and take them away, knowing that they wouldn't have to pay a huge amount of compensation to get them, bearing in mind that all they have to do is wait for a year and they get them for nothing. It's the same way. If you look at a player coming into the last year of his contract, if he's a decent player in the club values them, they don't like it. They get nervous about last contracts, so they do try and sign them up for a longer contracts. It's the same scenario with a manager. So the downside for a manager of a rolling contract is that, yes, you know, by a by agreeing to a twelve month rolling contract, then they don't have that potentially large payoff. Heard to IFI were, for example, sacked a year into a for a five year contract, it could in...

...theory demand an awful lot more than twelve months salary to settle that agreement. So you know, with contracts, guys, I'm trying to keep it very, very simple because, trust me, contract laws hugely, hugely complex and but I've tried to keep it short and to the point in a sincerely hoping to go some way to explain the main differences between the two, both contract types, of their strengths and their weaknesses. But what's important for anyone who signs them, as with every one of us in the decisions we make in everyday life, is that both parties are happy with what they sign up to at the beginning and they can't complain of it goes against them somewhere down the line. You know, they know the pitfalls, they know the securities of both. So on that note, I'll hand you all back to a safe per hands Paul back to you. Yeah, so, like we're looking at that and we know said the I've done that for years. This one year law and contract. To think that has put off manager was actually commented the club and manage that will be linked with this year. Would they be wanting to look for a more for your contract water than this one year contract? Like if he's going to get a four year contract club and State Talis of for your project, for your rebuilt rot down this role in contract. Do you on start you of being there at the end of these? Is the contract going to roll on? What's your opinion of that? Well, well, you don and all furnace, Paul. You and that is a good point that you make. And whoever our next manager is, you don't just because Celtic have normally used rolling contracts in more recent years, it doesn't necessarily mean that they were against the option of a fixed contract. If they fail that they've got the right man for the job and they feel that he's as committed to the cause as they are. So really, when it comes to contract negotiation, you know it isn't as it isn't a case of Celtic only offer rolling contract. That may be their preference and you can understand why. There are advantages to it for the club, but it doesn't mean that a set in stone, that that's the way it's going to be. Well, yeah, the DNIEL rodgers what at all and contract and not walk too it will for is. Yeah, that's why I was trying to say in like you know, we kind of gave rodgers a plan. We don't. We gave him a contract. Well, he left to that contract. But if a new man was coming in, if it's going to be any hole, if we don't know whoever's going to be, all the club like this, this could be the seven point rice foot tree. Tree for your contract is a big will you will probably we give will we give you for your contract. We want in place for this four years. To think they got. Are they going to say look, one year, all touch. I think it's are trying to show the project doesn't point. It often like g yeah, why you don't control. Few of US community sell take man just go to and actually at least agree should be here for four or five years to see the deal, to see the joke finish them idea. So, yeah, I just get there the impression like g if if we said do we know the to be rebuilding season, and if the plubill suggested a one year one contract, if I was a manager gone, when year contract? Do I want to stay here for like one year one contract? I want some security for four or five year contract. You know that can be with. Yeah, but the mage look at that way. Yeah. Well, you see, there's a very good point. You know, just on the live stream there George McDowell, McDonald and you know I'd mentioned you know, Celtic got a really, really good compensation package for Rogers and what rumored to be somewhere around about eight or nine million pounds or somewhere in that ballpark. He wouldn't have got that or Celtic wouldn't have got that had rogers been in a one year role in contract. So that so there are the benefits coming through their off what I'd said earlier about the club can benefit if another club comes in and wants to take their star man, which Rogers was for us. He was an absolute top lad when he was with the club as manager, and that's the benefit to the club, you know. But those things can you know again, it's a tradeoff. You know, it's wondering. You know what will happen in this scenario. You know Rogers. To be honest, I believe that when Rogers signed was Celtic for what was it? At three or or four year contract, like it's stay. It wasn't even a few foot jab seeing it good, just seen and I want you won't contract then from day on one, what was that? From Day One? Part, yes, say, initially it was I want you rule and contract. H Huh. And then it right, you show fige the thank you. So, Oh yes, absolutely, we will go saws. It that we give them. We offered them the one, you one contract. See what we're caused DEMMI move into Kay with more long term contract with them to you know what? You know, it bi. That suited drug just a bit. Wouldn't going to see our really fine seat up pion. It was. So he did get over. It is real then. Well, in hindsight, you know again, when we look back at that guy's if Roger started...

...off in a rolling contract and then got a longer term contract. That was clearly a very clever move from Peter law will, because that's something he would have been instrumental in at the time. So for all our criticism of low will, you know, etc. Etc. We can go on about that whole day. That was actually one of that was one of his finer moves, because if Rogers had been kept on a one year rolling contract we would never have got it. Or nine million or whatever the figure was for him to go to Lester. Just a doctor, Terrence Casey. Surely it makes sense to agree a conversation package if a manager leaves a certain percentage and have it in a contract. But it's always in a contract. So it wasn't a can't anuate. YEA, YEP, that's don't. Like I've said at the very beginning, once they're showing you the door and say welcome in, they're also tell on you that the door works both ways and if it doesn't work out, here's how we're going to send you right. This is the deal we're going to do to get rid of you. Give them an an order and here from Alexander give them an a minimum for your contract extended. If he needs to say, team people can saying they give them a long term contract be instead of its one year rolling Kenvyting starting office. But we can actually see why the club offer that note, the one year round. Prove yourself and then we kind of give you this long term role in contract and in this you know, I think we're in a position neither work at a manager of potential quality, whether it's a they eddie high or who ever, they are not on a strong position where they can come in seeing, you know, look, as we all know the turmoil that has happened at Celtic this year. A decent manager of quality can, I believe, come in and say it. Look, if you want me, these are the terms that I'm prepared to come on now a new manager, you know, simply because you know they're obviously going to put it to the club and say look, you're not looking at a sixmonth fix here. You're looking at a two, three or whatever season fix here. If that you want me here for that period of time, I want you to show me the commitment to that. That's we have to have from glas go green. I don't think of one year warn contract would interest the big manager, you know, like if someone who's been in the Premier League decide in the club. But the is there many clubs out there to actually do a one year on contract. Well, it's not the way that it's real for you. It's not that common. Yeah, yeah, but as I see thee maybe these moneygers, just maybe they're you know what, if I seen this food, your contract and I you're doing the line, my wife watch me back doing in boordermouth. So the one who contract to walk either way. It's the GE's the managers are Gett is real. ifted don't see a lot peel of a family disneyship gone. I doubt they're actually make out, is it? There's a good one here from ice man. would add any hope for a long time contract to offer more security and I know him to move his family up to Glasgow instead of a one year of more contract therese long time he can move his family up if he knows he can't here for three for years. You know, you can. You can understand why that would appeal to him. You don't want you know. Really the only way to know whether are rolling contract or long fixed term contract was the right choice is when you're looking hindsight and say did well you did? Did we make the right call there? Because when you're planning an advance, you know it's it's listen, nobody knows if we're going to be alive tomorrow, never mind still be in good health and still have the same frame of mind and still have the same enthusiasm for it, for whatever the challenge is. So it's difficult to know. I imagine any high is in a very strong position, I if it's him that is coming next, to actually demand a long term contract. And any manager of any credibility make there are managers that wouldn't accept a rolling country. You know you take mean, for example, pep Guardiola's next job when he decides to leave city, or you're going club when he decides to leave Liverpool. They'll not go anywhere in a lot on a twelve year or twelve month rulling contract. They'll be looking for long term stability because they will argue it's this long term commitment that allows me to build in the philosophies that first attracted you to come and talk to me and not joe seeing about thanks by an exact project exactly, and the insurance policy for that manager is if I go to your club and a terms out to be a horror show, then I know that financially I'm going to be well looked after because once it's rare for a club to ever pay out every penny of the duration of a long term contract. They usually come to some compromise somewhere along the line because, you know,...

...it then allows that manager to go and work elsewhere. Otherwise he would have to sit on his hands every day or cutting the grass every day. That's what God what exactly? That's exactly what it is, and any manager who still a positive, enthusiastic manager doesn't want that. But those managers are usually in a position, as I mentioned earlier, they have been fantastically well paid. They're not sitting waiting. How am I going to pay the mortgage? You know, these guys are not going to have a mortgage. You know. So there is of course going to be the EGO thing come into it, you know, and I'm not accepting this and I'm so on, but eventually there has to be an agreement between the club and the manager. If both parties want to move on on inhabited that they have to come to some sort of agreement, but it is exceptionally rare that any club will every will ever pay every penny of every year of that contract that is left perfect. So I think we're going to move on. I think that's all the kading manage. Just think we can comment at board says. We don't know who the manager is and what contract we're going to be looking at. So just just it. Just talked about the Chris. Have you any more rumors on decided a club? Are we moving on from this totally? Oh, let's you know what, the end of the day, Paul, you know the rumors are, you know, beg and getting bigger, you know, as every day goes by. But it's you know, rumors are a strange thing. And by the way, guys, before we mentioned any rumors, and let me just make it clear to you want, rumors are exactly that. So I'm not claiming to have any inside knowledge and neither do Marker Paul. So anything I'm reporting is based on nothing more than is being reported and widely available in the media. So please do not listen to it, to today's show, and then go online and gamble your wife's housekeeping money on the strength of anything here, something actually there. I wanted to get your opinion just before we move on to the next topic. Is My readout this morning is Kyle Joss off, the loan from Sheffield. Wednesday, I actually taught his deal was done, but supposedly now cast of actually look at him and kind of looking on the one knows that to do the same well as Liverpool did with Ben Davis. And if you hear writing on that, well, no, but you know the reality is that you know, we're in the position were no, at you, the chef thing about if he wids downnownst to you, saying up your contract. Me Celtic. WHO's is it? WHO's as CAL Jose, if you're talking about her? Yes, yeah, I'm getting my stop without we William, is it? Yeah, don't know. Lame shows different. No. But as far as far as the rumors are concerning, guys, like I say, you know do your own research and satisfy yourselves about whether a story is fact. They're fetching and I think the biggest story that we need to be thinking about it a minute as far as rumors is concerned, is the news that's coming out today, if it's true, is about Don McKay actually joining Celtic, possibly as soon as tomorrow, and it and, to be honest, if that happens it doesn't come as any surprise to me at all because, with the size of the task in hand, I never for once thought that he was going to work at the rafew every day until the thirty of June and then walk into Celtic Park the next day as a twin guy. It has never it was never going to happen. So he's clearly already involved in the manager recruitment process because he met with Eddie high last week and I'm sure he's he's got his fingers dipped into lots of other things. It Celtic as well, you know, and all that are maybe not public. So if both parties are agreed then it has to be a good thing and it can only be a statement from the club. And if the rumors are correct, though, we could be about to make a double statement to the Stock Exchange because for the manager role, Eddie high continues to lead to faild. Some say he'll be announced tomorrow, whilst others, like JFP and Lennon worker, still harbor and thoughts that Kino's going to make a lit run on the rails and pep them at the boast. I do say that in jest, by the way. I'm sure JFPL mega's position clear when he comes on as shortly, but as Paul mentioned. Like I say, Paul mentioned that that JFP's going to be joined us, but it appears at D v Proven has been feeding that story about Kino. I think he's must have been in the stable given given of some steroids, because he clearly favors the gentle natured former man united legends. So we'll just have to see what happens with that. The one thing that is interesting,...

...and perhaps it's further proof, if it were needed, that media sites and newspapers are full of nonsense most of the time, is that ever since it became official at any how I met with Celtic last week, pretty much every one of the other socalled odds on favorites, and there is they seem to have either pulled up or fall at the last hurdle, because their names have pretty much vanished from the commentary altogether. So it's a kiss of fingers crossed for us all and will just see what happens very soon. Now, as a footnote, though, I think it's worth remembering that even if Eddie high is appointed in the next few days, he may not necessarily take the rains of immediate effect, because there has been taught for a while that John Kennedy was promised the role until the end of the season, and that may well still happen. But regardless of what happens, I think he deserves a role and you you set up. He is received a lot of unfair flak, in my opinion, for Lennon's field season, but before this season even began, John Kennedy was more praised and criticized for his behind the scenes contribution to the club. It is clearly a guy that Celtic through and through and he deserves to be rewarded. Moving just quickly then, on to the players side. Rumors. Well, as far as players leaving, it's the usual suspects. It's a normal speculation. There's a lot of media talk about certain players and UN named people claiming to be close to them saying one thing and another. But you know, apart from a small handful of exceptions, and I'm talking primarily the likes of Edward and I are maybe one or two others. I wouldn't really be given those rumors and an awful lot of recognition at the minute, and I want, I would urge you all to think the same way, because the new manager, whoever he is, he want to see what he has to work with before deciding who he can work without. But something, incidentally, that might be happening, and I think it was mentioned on the forum just over a week ago by, as I think it was, cavally three mentioned that about Patrick Clemala possibly going to America on either a loan or a permanent move. Not on the weekend rumor that we did. I said I'd find nothing on that story to give it any credibility, but it seems to be gathering a bit of a head of steam and there are numerous media outlets reporting that it. Is it it? Sorry, the top cave story. Yeah, yeah, well, are you go? Yeah, it, maybe that's what it is. But apparently New York Red Bulls are possibly interested. So again we'll wait and see. But you know, if that does come through, then hats off to Cav because when he first mentioned it it was way on of the radar. Coming to the end here barkass rumor still going on. I'LL AK allegedly interested in taking him back in some capacity, possibly and loan, but he seems relucing to go now. That could be an interesting decision by him. If it's true, like many of said, he didn't become a bad goalkeeper overnight. Moving on, packy bonner reckons griff is finished at Celtic. It is starting to look that way and if it is true, then in my opinion he has wasted his talent through his other distractions in life and it'll be a shame of it does happen. But if the club makes that decision then we'll have to support it. Colum McGregor, latest rumors suggested Lester could make a move from this summer. My take is that if he wants to leave, and only if he wants to leave, then having lester come in for him could possibly general interest from other clubs, because they will know that Rogers has worked with them and if he's interested, perhaps they should be too, and that can only help start a financial battle that would ultimately benefit Celtic. And finally, on players going and listen, I keep saying it, but I'm still convinced that letting Bruney leave was a huge mistake. So much of US hard still at Celtic club should have kept them. Finally, on players coming in, we're seeing lots of speculation about Eddie whom Eddie high may bring in if he is the new manager. There's been talk of him reading bournemouths for certain players, like the big defender, Steve Cook. They knee. He's coming up on thirty. Maybe still has a few years left in him. And the Goalkeeper, and as mere beg of Itach now he's not far off thirty four button gold term and goalkeeper terms he's still in his prime. Now it was originally claimed to both were out of contracted the end of this season, but I've read a few unconfirmed stories that both had actually signed unreported extensions not very long ago. But again, unless unless we know, we just have to guess at that. So as far as rumors are concerning guys, that pretty much sums it up for now, but we'll keep an eye and use wires before the next rumors round up. And the meantime it's back to mark and Paul over the year games. So I'll got to move on there. We just jumped back. We're going to talk about the match on Saturday. Fair enough, we want. You did. It was a great score line. Go to see James...

Faust and Christie underscore seat for a change. But my situation is we still took the second half to get this game under laps. Again. We actually we just couldn't get this game done and dust in the fast, and I think that's been the problem this season is that the first half of the of the match, we just cannot play, and I'm kill off a game in the fast. The first half taughts their major problems fallow. Hasn't touched struggling for goals. I mean we put some good football stay stoves. You see, we should have been harmon the put was about forty two shorts. It go. Yeah, yeah, didn't buddied long before half team. That's would you think it up? Basically, I think you're right, mark, and I think you know really it comes down to. Listen. You know, yes, you, if you were to look at that game purely based on the statue, would say Celtic destroyed them. And yes, okay, we run out comfortable three now when I don't think they had a shot in the entire game on you know, on target or off target. But yes, you know, I think it really comes down to player confidence in front of goal. You know, Griff, griff got a good chance. You two or three clear cut chances. He wasn't able to make the most of them. And I just think it comes down to the attacking confidence. In last Saturday we should have, as you say, Mark, put the game to bed long before halftime. You look at look at safe coo yesterday against cover rangers. You know there were for nil up but halftime. You okay, they didn't score in the second half, but like they didn't need to. You know, the damage was like but, but, but, why is that that? That's why is that? Like they gets been that. It's been like this for the whole scene. That we just can't, we just can't get motivate for the first half. Me, if you'd League, just as you'll be jumping at your chance to start. Would Jack. You should be see, don't you know? You know I'm going to I'm going to eat the other and I can't score. To heart track at LEA still. The day we have faced does respect the folk up, but does a B B Golf between the two clubs. It's like Grfis should have been getting the other. She know the focus if I get Segu Sia, that's going to poo, that's going to do me good, that's going to make me look will them, and I yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, yeah, I think so. With any you know, irrespective of what walk of life you're in, when you're suffering from a lack of confidence, then you do get an opportunity. It's very easy to try and grasp at a too quickly and and then miss the opportunity that that was actually presented. And football being such a fast moving sport, of course these these opportunities come and go on half a second and when a players confidence is low, you know, I think it needs you know, it texts them to have numerous opportunities before they get one. But when they get one, you quickly find that they get two and three and I think really that just seems to be a major thing for us. Right across the attack, in side of the team this season there's just been that lack of confidence and I think a lot of that front, like the the comp the striker confidence, or the lack of it, has came from the lack of confidence basically right back to the goldkeeper. It just seems to be a lack of team confidence and everybody suffers into varying degrees as a result of it. Moved on from that. It was good to see him back and it was good to seem actually have a good game and he actually showed us what we've missed all this season was there was me, James Forest. You know what he showed us. Well, we missing down that white wing, what we played Nu Miss Piers and apposition to season. No one could have filled this and it was good to have him back yesterday. Mark Oh, I definitely keep seeing M no real for this big is fun, but you can't argue with which gave his and goals and a sissed over the years. It was good to see him back, but I think it just put it was again a highlights to need to back up right wing around from next season, for if I think he's getting all that is well, we may be back up. We know goes now and again with the best time I saw forest. Sorry, I've gone. I'm just going to just going to see that we can. He got back to tiny play up sent Rol, mid field, up the right when we need to get up understudy right when I don't I even is that one in the youth team that can make your step up to be back up. But do you think based? No, I think you're absolutely right. I think you're absolutely right, mark, and you know, I think just overall, yet we james and I know that you've mentioned a few times in the forum, mark, that you know you've had your criticisms of from and I think the criticisms that you'd pointed out about him were absolutely well finded, because there were times when he did flatter to deceive. But this season we you know, it shows you...

...just how important a player he has been for us, because we have missed him hugely and I think a huge part of our game does rely on them, or at least in a formation that includes them as someone playing in that position, and we haven't been able to replace them and have even a quarter of the impact that he has had in games. So you know he'll, he'll. Jim's good to see you back. I'm glad to see you and I hope you hear from any seasons to come. I think the best season, nice of James Forest, is when we have a when we had Patrick Roberts on the books and who we're playing against each other, and that that's your shows it's good to have two people in the one position. Then are go and compete to each other and up the levels of football that they go to play. You know, YEP, most but'll see it before guys. Look my greg a name out how rubbish the plays are starting every week. That's not right. Players have got to you know, if you're not playing real team do you start proving it, deeming that you deserve a chance again. I don't mean just have in one bad game of talk about over consisting period for players in about our bad for them should be dropped. So it's that. But I don't that's the problem at the moment. Put into squad. We actually don't have people to come into these positions to drop these players, really do we? You know, just but yeah, but if you look there, I mean as I'll Alexander there says on the on the live chat. You know, Kennedy has this plan some good football and and as I think it, buzz buzz has had thrown up a stat there that I thought actually was quite impressive, the number of shots yet under Kennedy from bolly. He said in yeah, ninety seven shots in four games. You know, I think he'll any club in any league in any country, would you do a few were to offer the ninety seven shots? Now that's not ninety seven on target, obviously, but you know that's up to the player whether it's on target or not. But to have a team set up in a formation that lies you the opportunity to have ninety seven shots and four games. You know, if Eddie high or who ever comes in, I was able to produce those sort of status, you know it'd be held as a hero. And this all comes back to the you know, to part of the what it was said earlier. You know, Kennedy doesn't get Kennedy doesn't get enough prayers. Eat. He seems to be a guy, you know. He's not out looking for the prayers. He's totally committed to the club and you know, but ninety seven shots and four games, who could argue with that? You know, those are very, very good. Okay, almost half of them game in one game. I appreciate that, but still it doesn't matter. It's still it's hellible of attack and play. As you said, basically it's coming down to lack of contents. Really know story, because ours they come down that a striker, I mean stake it doesn't want to be there and that's why we're not put with these chances. You know, I see. Yep, absolutely, you know. And yes, whilst Eddie is playing, when he's chosen, you know, it's quite clear that his demeanor is it's not what it was when he first made the break throughans is the first team. You know, look back at Eddie then. You know he was hungry. He you know, he put away more opportunities and in his early days done it has been recently and, as you know, he hasn't. He's not an old player at all. You know, he hasn't even reached his full potential yet. Yeah, so, yeah, it really it clearly is coming down to attitude. There he am. So we had, I smiled, are wed. Ninety seven shots on only five goals and three of them coming against for Kirk, just to show US within a lack of confidence. Oh what it is? We actually don't know what's going on with the strike force, but one thing and talk about is Ryan Christie actually keeping the ball, don't foot change and getting the goal. So thank God he kept the ball off with chance, because our pigeon had a fan came on yes and he was flying over Parkhead and we I actually taught the pigeon was going to be his Mais off Christ. Unfortunately he kept it down and we got the gold. So yeah, I once Christie for as well. The thing is, so you know, it's Christy's perhaps is his adaptation in his play. Is that time to John Kennedy having a word with him? You know, it's could be. Yeah, yeah, it sho shows like but I don't know why it is. Is it the way he positions himself as he is? He take tinking, too much time in the ball before he shoots out? Did he have less time yesterday and he shot the body kept it down. You have to put those things into kind of factor. You know is he is? He's been is he'spending too much time thinking on the bottle and before we shoot any blows up over the bar. Are I just I can't even gets the ball. He's all that said, he's mean do as I'm going to make it shit. Hopefully he's actually seems to do as soon as it ball gets to him, you know who he's going. He'd he's got to make space and shot. I think it's a matter of the likes of Christy Trand to find that balance. You know, when I get the ball, do I go on shoot or yeah, exactly, let's...

...do I lay a do I lay it off to some someone else who maybe is in a better position to either shoot or to set someone else the opportunity to have a good goal? And you know, when when you see these things happen and when you do dissect a lot of them, it makes you realize. Well, it certainly makes me wonder anyway, about Lennon's absolute lack of attention to detail in the game. You know, Lennon is was more, in my opinion, a bit of a you know, gung whole gay. You know your plan for Celtic, you but atop some quags just exactly easy up, boning bone. And yet he'd they go and to them. But can exactly exactly without any real strategy and whereas I mean I'm sure someone had posted it up in the forum and I had a look at one of the youtube videos about Hi Eddie high was working with his players and it looked like it was a bit of a summer our holiday training camp. Goodness me, I mean that guy was exceptional in high was communicating with players. I I'm getting an encouraging them to buy into this system that he was wanting to play, and you could see the players, you know, even just by listening him, were making those efforts and making those runs and buying into his philosophy and I thought it was tremendous to watch. You would never have seen something like that from then and Lennon would have been more a shutter and roaring a players. You know, what the effort you doing and so on and so on. That was his style and what you know, which really makes it more more clear to us all that what we need is a manager who actually does have strategic thinking and does have a philosophy and not only that, can communicate that philosophy in that style of play to the players. And of the players work to buy an easy ideas? Yeah, because on the point a manager Caiman Andy Start putment whilst only going to buy any. But that all comes down to the communication because in any yeah, that's that's that. I think in this season about their lack of communication between the players, trying to form. Do need lends formation, but exact am I watched down this season, and not just these this season was going into kind of the end of law season, as well and was creeping in all the time that led him. was there that the players were kind of getting confused what the position was and what their role was within the team. What exactly? You know what? Yeah, and that's what that's what creates the confusion. And because at the end of the day, we're not talking about a bunch of guys playing in the local park on the Sunday morning. We're talking professional footballers playing at the top level. And you know, once yes, it does come down to their ability on the pitch and whether they can kick a ball or whether they can't. They still need encouragement, they still need direction, they still need someone to say to them, this is what I want you to do in your role, because if you do this correctly, it allows him to do his job properly, and so on and so on, because the reality is that in any walk of life you can nearly encourage anyone to do almost anything you want, as long as you explain it to them in a way that they understand. And I think that's where Lennon fell down this season. Yeah, so I have one here and rob mcna and element of Christy's game has not been evident this season, which is what is it? What's talking about is these pressing Christie was very good at pressing and this kind is quicker. This this could be a MOJIB major bonus for the way to how he likes to play. You know how we like to play this plassing game. Could that so, Christie, if he's actually going to be here next season or you know, I don't well, last thank you. Yeah, I don't think you'll be here. Robson, I seen him seeing that, but he's not really jould that I season, but the last few seasons depressed. Christy was one of the mean guys that done the press for is. Yeah, yeah, you'll be putting up to scotches. That's for they love you, as will foll team has rest to it should be person I think, though, other teams should. I think the what what we need to remember, guys, is because we've had a disastrous season, it doesn't mean we have disastrous players. The players that we have are capable of achieving what we want to achieve, as long as they are being led by a manager who gives them self belief. Actually, yet's the best out of every one of them, because they're all used to playing with each other. Will have to remember that are most of them for quite a few seasons. So that connection has been there for quite some time and I think you know, listen when the players are sitting around on their own, when Lennon was here, I'm sure a lot of them were saying so, I just don't understand what's...

...going on. You know, one day you're in, next day I'm in, next day someone else is in. You're playing in this position and in the week after I'm playing in that position, and I think it all came down. I think I'd mentioned it before and one of our previous podcast was the fact that I genuinely believed Lennon lost confidence in his own ability and that was translated to the team. There we'll just go to bring on JFP, Don know, and mark is going to get into today. The folly. See on, Mac Johnny, you here with our join guys than can you hear me? Yeah, because when you had friends they working songs finely. Me, just very good. That will see me been the front of Youtube cassure this week. So, John just moving under. Just want to get your your tarts and I this see is a basically I'm weird team. We need to move forward is it going to be a dye? How we hold you think he's going to performs? The manager would sell Dick, you know, fun just some of things you're told by the contract. And it's a big contracts for managers. A certainly think the one thing I've learneder the contracts over the years and contract law, or whether it's employment contracts or whether it's law contracts whatever, is if somebody wants to go, they'll go. I'm not sure it's a show stop this only once they come in the club. They'll come in the club, the club ones of some day for a post of a club. Once show where you'll be away. And another thing. I know that is a fair don't it? Only a contracts. Only any good if, if, if you can afford to defend in court, and most most wisers are probably in a possession. You do that so at me or for its party some kind of financial comfort. But I don't I don't think it's a show stop. But in terms of because somebody comes, that goes. But but ye creation Eddie, who he happy start. Every enyway that was up was up as the first thing. I'm with the seeing Happy Buday, very happy times, Happy Birthday Glasgow Green as real little. I don't know. I mean I'd be delted just to get back to parkaty watch anything after the year that we've all had. Even even governess season of had a bit. I've got see. I'm certain here we are serious question mark over with Celtic. ARE GOING TO GET US right? He a fort. There's something something more wrong in the club. Over the years Celtic's been a it's been an apaemia professionalism and many, many ways, and could includn't be at all. You know, we get at your debuts and feel Instan in football, my us. But I say you can for Your Business Perspective. The others are crossing government. That's what you've seen. The the can a business dealings and one embarrassment stumbling for one embarrassment another bit generally beating in a Paima I professionalism. So many things recently turns of statements in somebody acting right through their statements. Treatment of finds contential is whodd's there derekt baseman's interest, as he still interested, you know, listening Celtic TV, it soon's look private. That I don't know. And back the eighty who. So are we going to get it right. And Eddie, who is he? The man? And Alston, there is one big plus. He's get one big take the box and y'all over as before, I say, is it one big, massive thing going from as he's an ray keen he seeing it's in that. Sorry, sorry, based. So, John, how can you possibly say it is not Roy Kane? Me? You're clearly such a Roy Keane Fan, by the way, John, by the way, John, very, very welcome. I when you first came on there I tried to say hello, but for some reason it's wasn't heard. It was either that or you were ignoring me. It was one of the other. So you're your most welcome under the show was as everyone else who wants to call us. But yes, John, good point. Yet I think I rast the right Kino. He's not king, but seeing that what one's done less. I watched then of you with Gary Anaka yesterday. We Ala decently. We had the WHO and they. I mean maybe maybe I'm just a day at the INN, a sword, and I had some of the ports of stuff based he said there. You said based it. I mean some of these stuff he be speaking about. So it just a general content, was it? I mean did me some of the stuff that I read and Rogers's book. Not Know that. That's field unnecessaradly a bit and full of management speak. Coach Fardy can't and the warf that's who you're getting your quotes. I'm looking against the people look for leafe coaches and Gurus. It makes me think you managers like joke steam up was be well Shankley, coming from main community...

...communities. Really shankly famously said bows a form of socialism without the politics. I don't know is are the head? WHO The man? Now he may be. I may be the best manager of no idea and I certainly and absently back in if he comes to you, as he is a Celtic manager. Bit just the I'll finish it. I'll face briefly a bit. Maybe I was dreaming in terms of our all friend you got. I thought it came in and and revolution, the whole revel revolice is a whole footbawn CD thing. And but then you think Martin is I maybe I shown Maloney was was was the we'd being entirely the question. So we re the evidence? Do you think that we didn't? Sorry, sorry, John. Here's the evidence to see what? Where's the evidence that the WHO's the man for the jobs? I see open and your Ma take a respect. I just be glad to get back to Celtic programmer when my son and hopefully when with my my grandson. If for the first thing, but should I be excited? Should I be excited to be Ada? Who met and who? Maybe I should be excited and see if I'm missing something and I should be excited the idea. WHO AREN'TED Roy King? Always somebody would tell me. But thanks you very much for given as a chance lives and one has come on. I really to see what. You're welcome any time, but I give you about how I'm not too excited about at all. Another one to it Ken eitherly enough, but I definitely will be wait and get some young foreign coach is going to command me really more than ideals and things like that. We're not put COOKU's a COKU. You put gay if we Cooku, I mean he's one. Leak to Halland in that they didn't. You got bill at Darby, but I think the PAS. So go ahead, mark, I'm just going to see it. Didn't have go to bill at Darby, but not jumpionships to dot better managers and not the course, I think, the position we find ourselves and as fans and ultimately, look to the end of the day, the reason anyone's on the forum or anyone's listening to the podcast is because we were all first and foremost fans of Celtic football club and we're now, you know, as well as hurting from a shocking season, we're NAE in a position. Will we find ourselves managerless? I'm we're all very keen, pardon the PUN, or all maybe jobs and there and it all very very keen to to to try and re establish a sense of normality. And when we hear and name him being bandied around, you know it's either no, I don't want him, or I do want him, and those that do want everybody focuses in negatives. You See, a name is something. The first thing, though, says, or be get really to be so and so. Well, exactly, I just need to any defin exactly. I think what we are showing ourselves to be is a group of fans. I don't mean just us, I mean every Celtic Fan. We are fans who do not tolerate anything except winning, and we're now finding ourselves on the back foot and we don't like it and we're trying to find a chrom of comfort somewhere, and whether that's in any high or ry King or whoever it may be, we just want to re establish your sense of normality, to give us the opportunity to move forward, and that's what we're lacking at the moment. And I just pulled the question there to John. John, you think they're all like just gone by what you're saying there like that? The said the board didn't broadener such to look for managers, because what I've been reading here, it's only kind of two managers read that stuck keep popping up, and they kept popping up on the start was roy key and the behole. No Lens has been linked really to the job or no, let's really had talk. So it's just that these two medare the only people that they really talk to. Was Eddie Hoe and Roy King, and they didn't look farther and them. I don't I don't have any answers, you know, just all I can see. Is it the names. It's been mentioned stevie class, but no, for me, yeah, right, keen, big no, and the hoops. You knows wen'tic it. Tell me I should be exciting that we see just like it mean for any reason, and this is it decent to me, I should be set. No, it's same Christ in yourself. The vacuum of minds and Roachs and just left and new landing is appointing the shoes and we've seen seen nic and in teasing disconnect for the board, to the fans, for me, we'll been treated. We contend the whole, the whole, see everything that you know. Some the statements some kind of can. Basically it was talking about the standard English...

...and the statement that was made. When it's on the steams of comfort for the club looks as been run by if I've a sexual some the sy stuff the boards allowed themselves to be t TP dragging. I would never come up and the Gona it clay that go on any food. And the reason I'm even speaking in the reviews is because I know I'm among Mon. I wouldn't even. I would even sharing what she didn't. But I just wonder which Swissterds some roles. Am Is it a bigger problem behind the scenes? I'm as confidence I would have been ten years ago. It's salty. Were going to do the professional thing and get the answer no. No. Well, I think you're right show on, because I think certain actions over the last few seasons by the club have shown that not only is there a disconnect between the club and the fans, but it also leads you to wonder is there is there a disconnect even at the top level of the club? And is the change from Lowell to McKay going to affix that connection? Who knows? We know we're all in it. We're all in the situation where were wondering. We're guessing. You know, as far as the new manager is concerned, do you know we've spoken to Eddie any high officially? DID WE SPEAK TO ROY keen officially? Did we speak to any other managers? Did we even take the trouble to sign those other managers out? Are Those other potential managers? Did we even take the trouble to sign them out? The problem is the fans don't even have the confidence in the club exactually even have done that exactly. That's may think like that. There really kind of just talk to kind of a person WHO's out the contract at this moment. Is it is any whole cheap option that they don't have to buy someone load the contract with it in a found club witness you be that cheap option, you bel which is the Rigis it will be getting a witnessed a cheap option. No, I'm not in the cheap option as in a weekly wage. When I'm saying that we don't have to buy him out of the contract or our think he's a duty. We would have went for Eddie hope he was still I don't bomb mark. Think we could have a food done. I think if any high was still in Bournemouth and they were still in their premier league he wouldn't have considered common to Celtic anyway. Nothing. It's quadacts. You should was but I don't think we could have a food. Even US boardemouth didn't want to crazy money for him. Try One thing we haven't heard anything about an I know it was muted a couple of months ago or a few months ago, was the talk that potentially Dermot Desmond's son was going to come on to the board and be, you know, an integral part off the board. But apart from the early rumors of that story, it never really granted. It never really built up any head of steam or gained any saw proper foot old kind of diet when it can. It came out after a couple of days. Really didn't a chat, you know, but I there's means place of the AGM went to that helped push that story a forward. About as real me. I think there's me bit. I think there's men. Just the comment with website's not an absolute land load. But I think actually wants to be. He doesn't. He want to be duly involved in the day the running. That's why he gets these CEOS and he's happy have he shares and stay in the background. But when things things go wrong, it makes his move. I read. I read an article you a bit all the champion feel yours early years and no qualifying. Should have done us and should have done that. But over the last few years we look at the trophies, will one you can't stalk. Global has good to take some of the credit for that. All, without doubt, without those I think all will deserves to take a huge amount of credit. Be It went, but we took your credit and when it's no, went wal he's feeling he's sort of days. Yeah, yeah, but you know, doesn't show you the fickleness of football fans and what will tolerate and what we want. And you know football, old fans ship, is a very fickle activity. You know, we only remember the last result. You know, we only remember this season. We don't look back and say, well, do you know an old furnace? You know. Yeah, we've won nine in a row and we've won a quadruple treble. To US fans of Celtic, it's not good enough because this season has ruined it and I think there was a huge you, let's be honest. If we if we had achieved ten in a row, high wouldn't anyway? I think yeah, left anyway. However, high would it have benefited the club going forward, apart from having the Bragger, the bragging rights? Best it? Yes, John B see, I think. Thank you. You know it's in. I don't know if you had. Stevig was quoted the small and this minute. No, that I'm not...

...remotely interesting. What they do really doing, and a Gentley mean that. I mean if they would never appeared again after liquidational haunt them and we've been a dattuition for the meet. I don't know how many arguments I've heard me selting some salty supporters over the years that defying themselves by then and suddenly, certainly this is any one of them if they were playing at the back out with Newlon, the COLTONS and Steve Us, I think, with all of the Stevie g see the he's looking forward the players in the cup and under any manager and the dy who or anybody else. I shouldn't have it. It shouldn't know. We should never been this possession. It's been a monument like the self, but we have had it's done well, flashed it in. No, there was any more disappointed in as as, and that's new, the bog that you know nothing's going to change, that there's people loose, significantly more Lus year the three, a fact that I had a little. But my biggest concern, as it's just what we're touching on here, is as as. When I look at the look at the like a force in terms of your speaking there too many people sell for just been better than we're was the investment to compete in Europe, learning in the shows, disconnect with a find so many stings as that Ip at problem and we what exactly, and that's what that's what made me. You know that. That's what prompted me to think John as had mentioned there earlier. You know, is there a bigger disconnect not just between the club and the fans but the eternally within the club? I think you could. I think. I think not mentioned. They are about Desmond Israel, absentee landlord, which he's every atps has money and he piece of paper calls you Chens this. See then the day we are the club. If that show you when stay run the club. But I kind of be the only one. It's certain certain wonder enough demotism. Is this up for it as he once was? Let yourselves are. Thought when he was room and these ease lotty was going to get put on. I thought, well, evennipiece lie the on there as a cfcial on. So that's probably a that's probably a good saying that he's mentioned ear later on. Very Open City, that sunset rugby man in charts coming and then we'll get we've got little head to out the door. WHO's Spain? All the cats as as we can live on fair business perspective and they could looked after my money any day the week and if you don't in the band of basin can't affect them. But it got another head. I mean he was getting better deals and even when they want in the league in the money was drying up the league, he was still providing oyster high high level sponsors. Shut not eat blue, gain things, and that, I taste. This short tad was a great was a great deal for the corboardy finally getting a DA saying to make the jerseys and stuff like that. That was a great deal by laws. But just gone back to what you're saying there, John on on Steven Gerrard said he's not afraid to get self in the coppery, but I think that's a problem within the board, letting Rangers get so close to us and so little time. You know that this fair fact of rangers pain selting is actually gone at this moment and I think it's nearly done the way wrong. No, that said, the go have the fair of pain ranges in the cop rather than range is fair enough, I think. I think there's absolutely not do but, Poulor, thank you and I'm the maxcuse you for Celtic. Celtic, don't you know? It's a it's been a monumental like so far on the field at every level of the club. Feet Desmond doing todays men, the old Neil ln and to the players. There's nobody exonerate tt the as far as I can see, which it was, and you know there's not. They beyond note to be on class doesn't we should? We should never, we should never have been in this. We should never have been in this. Not Too many funds were just happy bit taught dog in Scotland. Exactly right if you were what they've in front of him. That was all that mark and I think the board thought its will and I think really, ultimately, that shows a lack of real of real ambition for a club like Celtics that should be capable of achieving so much more. You know, even if we're playing in the Scottish you know, the Scottish League, which is not a top European league. Celtic has a structure and a fan base that should have propelled them on to achieving more than they did on the European stage. And yes, as you say, yet there was too much focus on just being one step ahead of them and Scotland that there was about achieving what we actually called could on a European basis that a club like Celtic should be achieving. But I read an interest in article this morning on one of the Celtic website, no, not the official Celt it was one of the just one of the sort of dedicated Celtic news sites,...

...and it was saying the next manager coming in is in the best position of any manager since Martin and Nell come in, because Martin and Neil come in the time when there was a huge amount of work needed and to a certain degree Martin O'Neil got what Martin O'Neil wanted and because of the decline this season, the new manager coming in is hopefully in a position with the club are saying, okay, you tell us what you need to do this and given them a greater scope for doing what they wanted, instead of having Lennon who was, at the end of the day, you know he was simply going to buy to what law will wanted him to do. Rogers tried to change at and I genuinely think when Rogers came he had a sincere intention to be at Celtic for three or four seasons. I think he really had the intention, but he found that he was making so many obstacles that have made it untenable for him because whilst yes, Celtic was going to be as me and focus. He is, first and forsted, professional football manager and he has to look after his own credibility in his own reputation as well, and I think he was put in a position where he had to decide. I can't do both at this club because of the way it's run. I have to choose what's right for them or what's right for me, and he did what most of us would do in any walk of life. He chose what was right for him and for his family. And so hopefully, if you'll just based on the story that I mentioned, hopefully the new manager in will be given some more control over football than the last couple of managers. I think. I think, I think there's needs and needs almost rethought, and that's that's a question. I'm good, of course, and you guys are probably you know rest these were up. We're all guessing here, but you know, as the business, I came in as a the foresight. They are just new. It be to be looking at seal to. You're exactly right. been champion among the bombs as they good and not just been better than them. Was Never I should never have been the bench. The bench mat the gap after my son and I said together, just the traditional to the storyngers, and this right next to the Green Brigade. The gap was closing. I don't know how many teams are key and it's it is over the last few years. Anybody that thinks it ends like governors back before nine. I think anybody that thinks and they the gap is the closing. You so that you're before they collapse. The laugh per season. The gap was closing. Losing it ten whinds was knee really isn't in the surprise it should have been. Albeit the recruitment was her end. There's somebody decision making was terrible. Bit then model. Their model should be a should Celtic should be enticing. They basically like a dour friends. You would be able to do bring and put us see, attract players with the business model needs to be the opportunity to play and in Europe and accepting that we another biggest fashion in the sea, and that largely what will be as a window either TDPO, as much as it pains me to see that, but the chance, the opportunity European football getting two, three years, somebody a team. It's a blendy. The best a youth that's looking to be in the short window and established players are that will be cosseted the fortune that maybe can get us a bad success and as far as we possibly can in Europe. Bes a somebody on your thinking a big picture here, as a somebody thinking that knows. It just needs that been better, set been better than the mob and governs. No enough and it's not. It's not enough for me and it's it's no enough for me any many people. We need to the potential at Celtic Park as its massive, if that mode always embraced. That I've just concerns just now. The the will get the right people there at the moment that are thinking these thoughts and thinking that that thinking big thoughts. God, I chance means not even the door yet. It's up to you. So I've got to hope that he's got to come right. Yeah, he's yeah, things. Yeah, come on, just keeping deal with what was dat it take? You keep his art level? Yeah, it see the that's just what we want to be dealing five year time. Exactly. Yeah, that's piece is wanted. He tasny. How you get the on the football side, you hags, with his level thought he dad. That's guy. We can run and lasting your football people and let they make your decisions and not make all the difference. Yeah, I John, i John Would you said. I absolutely agree with you, because our target should never have been the ten. Our target is should have been getting big on the European stage and if we did that, then the ten would have came natural. I just want to commentry and Cholas and to you about us. It's like so we're saying, oh, we should be broadened, we should be looking for euro becaueen. But the feelings in you open this year, as in my mind, is that we always waited for to see if we going to click qualify...

...for the Champions League and if we didn't qualify, that depended on our chance for business. So is macaig to come in to change this, get the piers in before we went to qualifiers, or is it is it too little time, no, for new lander to make these decisions? Well, I think what's important in that, Paul, and it was part of that article I'd read online this morning, is that McKay's coming in. He's not a football man. He knows he's not a football man. So he is going to listen to others at the club who are football people and they're going to tell him what they need rather than him telling them what they're getting, which is the problem that we had that to say. What say more than big ones? What know? You know absolutely not, I think, because Peter all will, Peter Law will, was the man who yet listen nobody. Overall, if you look at Peter Law's tenure at Celtic, you have to say it has been a rip roaring success financially and, you know, compared to what it could have been if they had an average joe on that job. But the problem, the problem has been at law will was clearly the dictator of everything that happened on the football side, and law will knew nothing about football, but he still took control and Ney two guys. You know. You know a fist with exactly left it? Just don't alone what exactly you know. Law will face up to football guys at the club and basically said I'm I'm the top man, you'll do what I tell you to do, as opposed to say into them, guys, tell me what do we need to do, and if we can fit it into the model, then we will do what you want to do, because you're the expert and I'm not. But law will seem to become involved on a point himself as the football manager at the club. Well, that is at least if we believe everything we hear. But the thing is we heard from so many sources that there has to be at least a degree of truth in it. So I think you know, Don McKay, I think brings a breath of fresher because he's bringing a strategy that is not going to be determined by you. Look at the end of the day. Yet he'll eat. He's going to want to make his position quite clear as in look, guys, this is my role within the club. But hopefully the mention him if he's doing his job, will leave. Will Not mention him. Well, exactly exactly, Mark. You know it's like to say about a football referee. You know he's got a good game, but we know when when he doesn't draw attention to himself. I just come in there to you have sure something from the light chat from Terrence Casey said. Surely this is what the director of football for so w we said Dominic McCoy coming in tomorrow or, I so this week. Do we take. Do you think that there's a director football already? How you'd buy the club and he's going to be speaking with Makoya White? What we're the club should be going well. The problems with haven't leaven an efting this week last, please. The problem is we don't know. You know, until we know, we don't know. And and you know, I suppose if you look at modern day football, was all of the top clubs, they all have someone who filled, fills or who fills our role as director of football. That's their job and they have an agreed between themselves, as with any organization, that everybody knows their role within the within the company. And you know, I think if there is going to be a director of football, you would hope that it's going to be some money in. People have muted the name of Fergle keen at Man City and there's been a couple of other names been thrown around as well. Even what's his name? From Shoes, from myth? WHO's born maturity? Yea, yeah, and you know, I suppose that's an automatic link because if it is Eddie high as manager, then he knows a Richard Jues. You know, he knows them well. Etc. The work together and they've clearly shown they can work together and he may be a name in the frame if that is what the what the Club of chosen to do. You know, it all comes down to whether the club decides they want a director of football, and all of that could be part of the eddy high negotiation, you know, because it's you know, with someone like Eddie High, if it is cut him coming in, they don't also, you know, they don't only have his his in personal contract to negotiate, they also have any demands that he has as well in order, you know if you can offer anyone a position, but they may have other conditions that they want fulfilled as well. Maybe he wants that or maybe he's saying no, I don't need that. So these are all the things that we don't know because, unfortunately none of us is...

...part of the negotiation. None of us are part of the negotiations. So you know, it's easy to get wrapped up in the speculation of it that it could be this and it could be that. I think will be in a much better position as fans to look ahead to the next season once we know what tools we have in place and what the club structure is in order to take it forward and like and whilst we can talk about it all day, it's always going to be speculation, but we can hope. We're gonna. I just want to short out send question to joinder John Joe Tink we should be going down direct or football to modernize the club. GOING FATHER, I've hit Mark March. Obviously he's killing that tap. Honest that I don't really I don't really understand the new and he's enough to be able to comment. Can I kick can a meanium flame that Palmer. I can remember the police Barton's rules meant to be the all remembers and still scarp with a disaster that it was. But I don't usually I director should charge you a full football department or the skip or the way done and it's leakey's super were talking about ability, a five year Plata project. Yeah, yeah, charge that, king, I think so. Shie from at mom that's the tape of thinks. You made this point for a few weeks. You've made a few times and exactly the manager. The manager, if that means for the rector of Football, means I manager can leave, comes and goes in the structure at the club is that the football and CD things is unaffected. That's a big thing about because that's that's exactly. I think that is how it should be. I mean, I keep seeing that shit. Would that we should begin done. It's not just the management. See to be an look at you. You look at recruitment. Has Been Ann matter heat disaster. You know it's supposed to be mentioned John Part and since John Park was the year youth development. Where's the tears? Needs in the fullest coming through the use to woment and it intentional losing it. Then you can't even accuse able. We can accuse about they know spending money. Did it spend me just to spend the way? Isn't like just going back to the gone back with the quarters as well, about or you system double not being these players come true. I take that's the way. I think that needs a big kind of a look at his letter. Is a coats will in a youth system? Is Mac Madison down in the good enough to be there, or do we need a whole change? Comment like us, I'm going to buy your Munich. Do in half of them. That's the problem will be. Can really keep them. They're either yeah, the most BEA disciental enough players at that age, just factual king that teams are coming down for them. As you said, mark like, there's actually no past for for the young players come, the young players coming into the first team, and that's why I think we actually need a director of football to have that everything in place, from the youth system ride up to the first team, so that we're producing these players rice the year here, a year there. Then you we want you to stop breaking into the first team. You know that's that's a should be a plan that we need going forward, really for the club interest. That's an interesting point. You make their apout, because I think not the last show that we did, but the one before that, you had mentioned that you'd read it somewhere or someone had passed it on to you, that every youth player coming into Celtic is given a strategy, might hard to hide it had a live, had to behave, how to tray and how to do this and yeah, you know, and a pass to the first team. And you know, it just goes to show you, or at least makes you question, there must be a breakdown in that process if it's not happening for something of them exactly exactly. There's a breakdown there somewhere, will in the Youth Academy and to the fourth even not not just to the first team, read to the resolves, because when they get to resolves, that's where these players actually stay and they don't break into the first team after the resolved team. You know, they just say that's what you need. Your manager, it coach to buy any idea as well. I mean it's as your first team squad will go. I mean put you how do you bring young players and its manager to need a manager is going to see. I want to help bring when young players a blending deadney. I T that's going like the gone by, buying the buying the wrong players, really into buying players just for the segment, buying players on the good done of yeah, it's just bolt top the squad and boat top the squad and there's been any space in the first team squad for catch to gas. But it's also there was I think we've mentioned on a previous podcasts. It was either the last one the one before. We had said, you know, these some of these guys were coming in and they knew. You look, at the end of the day, if you get a group of young lack. If you get a group of lads together, what do they do? They talk to each other. And you know, young lads were coming into the Celtic youth squad, you know, guys who came from other clubs with big potential and big, big prom must and so on, and they were coming in and you can bet your life that the lads were there was saying, you know,...

...don't be getting your hopes up. He and in the last couple of years I'm referring to Lennon, he's not going to give you a chance. Not, not one of us has has been able to make the breakthrough because of him. And you know, okay, is it down to them? Is it down to Lennon? Well, they're certainly not going to blame themselves, but that's the way that chat is going to go amongst the group of lads or group. Listen, a group of girls down in the pub. Is exactly the same thing. You know, you've no chance for him because he didn't like any of us. You know, it's the same thing. You know it's just human nature as the way people think, but I think you know one of what is what has proven and is going to be proven, as our most disastrous signing in the last four years has been Lennon, been in charge for the last two. Because, whilst his intention listen, nobody can doubt nil Lennon's commitment to Celtic. Nail Lennon is Celtic through and through his entire family or celtics room through, and I know a couple of his extended family. The only live six miles away from where I live. I I met him once, very, very briefly, but some years ago, when he was a player. But Neil Lennon never ever possessed the qualities that were required to work at the level that Celtic asked them to. Now that's a feeling on two sides. It's a filler. It's a failure on Lennon's part because he didn't have the ability. It's a failure on the club's part because we ask them and we give a you know, you can say well, you can give someone an opportunity, you know, but the same time you know you're not going to ask someone who works on the production line in a factory on a Friday to suddenly head up the company on the Monday morning. It's not going to work because they don't have the experience, they don't know or they're it's not just experience. Some people just don't have quality to do the job that they're asked to do. This I think. I think that's where we find with lemon thiss day I was in the canaricule that I think nobs a big Anil and fan and me and and you know, we get to be all the with all the withother look in line up, up up, just I don't think in I don't think the Lennon alons able to do the Damon's. It's been done across the club to talk people that season single hundedly. I don't think Neil Lans can be bleamed for the cup and that. Thank you. I don't think you can be bleamed for so many the blood decisions. It was made to talk to Boyd, but that's history. The main thing is just moving moving forward. I'm moving on. Re John, let me certain here thinking Eddie, who has the money take his form many maybe with the everything's and why you should be be exacted. Well, the thing about the thing about Eddie high is you know eee clearly what he is considered to be a very forward thinking coach. But the reality is, John, if you were given the choice to appoint someone off your choice, let's say it came down to you, who would you choose and, more importantly, why would you choose them? I thank you. I mean, I'm not close enough to did you know even who the auctions are? That I don't don't all fair, ran. It was neat. It was need possible some day that somebody that could restructure that football and see for recoupment, Youth Development, whether somebody that can out they could a tap done in the model Celtic, the Modali sealty given bringing the best use for Europe blending that we established. But, as a said, the offer the European football and he the poor, been a I went to with the PO potentially, I don't know. Me, mad and is. I think Martins and Maloney may even a got me and may even a bit, a bit more attractively. But I look at I listen to season of you, Bill, an echo other than they there. I had to be had to see. I've looked at you CV and one less now and I'll bet in UNI season ticket. Anyway. That's just I'm just the I'm just I'm just a lost cause they'll just be backhead. Does amount of the plan? Again, I think we're all JOE. I think we're all in the same position at the end of the day. Will always going to support the club. Some we're always going to pride to put on the hoops. Some row was going to be, you know, standing at Parkhead and wishing that we were one of the eleven that was chosen to walk on to the pitch. But you know, so you look for ninety nine percent to sell the fans. That is going to be. You know, that's what's going to happen. Even if we find ourselves into the championship in the next few seasons. You know, should should something as Bizarres, that would happen. We're still going to be fans of the club, but you we're all finding ourselves just in that position where...

...there is a lot there's there's clearly a lot of frustration among Celtic fans, and the vast majority of it is rightly placed as well, because we feel that the club of let us downs fans. I'm not not just because we've been so used to winning over eat up the League for the last nine seasons. It's the fact that it you know, I think for a lot of fans, are, I think I speak on behalf of a lot of fans, going to say we feel that we take the club more seriously than the club text itself? Yep. Now get with the I'll give us so that moving on to last question, we're going to finish up with John. So, John, looking forward to next season, with the gap being so closed at the moment between yourself for rangels, are we going to find a hard to win the title back next season from Rangers? I mean, I probably was. I was probably in mark side with us one. I don't think somebody was. People suggested on the forum it was going to take years and don't. I don't see that. But Him I'm probably be my I think the right man and you imagine the remember the impact that Roger said when you come and we played them and I remember seeing my son that the nothing's changed on the park are the only the only, the only thing it's changed here as a man and the dog who so that there's good, there's more doing, a bit done. Fact that in sin that I'll qualify that. Getting the right man and the dog is it's under massively important. But the whole the stale questions mark over the board, the youth to film and recruitment. You know, where's the next John Part coming? For me in Hammond's obviously a we. I don't see a what come feeling next and they way that it was coming through lines and like like a I can wear bill. No, I don't think it should take years if we get the right man. You know, there's about any things that the average, but there's another. But in realizes it's some that the results that have had in Europe tells me that the S TPG is obviously put something together there that's maybe worthy more credit than I'd probably be. Well on a yeah, that's why we because I'm talking about that Rangers this year. I watch TVG had start print rangers is actually a structure that the players know what they would doing they were blind players. That would fit the way rangers playered. John, you know, I'd think if we get the right manage have these players playing the way he wants up to play and being in new players, that will fix his system. Well. Well, I'll go off in next season, I think you know. So lad I think we're going to finish it there. John case, I cannot finish just be seeing. Thanks very much for it. Governs an opportunity to they came on and speaking and a hope of the sounding then open the sound negative himself. I'm so, I'm certain, I'm certainly know and it's a anyst we don't give any of this weird. But any star people. How are you? What looks to enjoy yes, Chuck John or Johnathan farness and all furnace. John, you you know, you do bring a wonderful insight and honest it's great to hear your opinion, and you know it's clearly a very measured opinion and on how you see Celtic going forward, and I think most fans would share that that that's what we need. We need a measured approach, we need common sense to apply to it and we need a structure within the club that'll allow that to go forward. So, John, you're so much. Well, you're very welcome and you're very welcome on every single future show that we have if you have time and the interested to it. Thanks you very much. Totally enjoy that and thanks for giving the opportunity. So very welcome to bye. Bye. That's it for tonight. If you want to get in contact with the show, please contact us on the forum and let us know beforehand if you're coming on. For Myself, Paul, thank you very much, Christ yes, Yep, folks, thank you very much for listening. It's been wonderful to have you all coming along this evening. You may not agree with everything was say, but at the end of the day just remember we are passionate Celtic fans like you are, and please, please do, keep contributing, to keep coming online whenever we're the shows are available, do puzz put messages onto the forum and so on. Come on to the show, ask US questions and if you want to come live and give your own opinion, then you're more than welcome to do it was lovely to see John Tonight and I hope he's the first of many that come and join us. Mark. Okay, than just like to thank Paul basically for to help me always, everybody for tuning in and GFP for being really my first real qual of a basicly joint the food once and we kind of got radium against. Thanks everybody for the subscriptions, but over a three hundred, but over a few hundred now. If you have no subscribe the button for his and Giza thumbs up. Thanks very much, guys.

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