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The Bawz and Bovril Podcast Episode #6

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This episude Os e posin Bot e podcast Edo Ocaot v I' mostly just going to right. So thisis going to be me, see now, I'm just checking on to Youtubehere now guys whith one am I looking for I'm on the boss on bovhrils site,but you know the litest one is fivee and should b hurt newup life right, thet's just have a look o awesome life. Well, no, you know that just PLA yea, that's I aryeah number six! Six there ye hello and welcome to Celtic rooms,TV te Bors, an fathers borcast with your Horse Mark Chris and myselfs Paulon today's show we're going to take a look at the last mat between Selk andforkrook, we're going to talk about James Forest, and what's what it's beenlike to? Have Him Back Chris? Will we take those true our rumors and our newmanagers and hi be also talking about what type of contracts our maangerswill be on fder we be moving to love, Charte, Bost, first Ay wis on to handleoff to mark Mak offtyou thanks for that cless just by soverybody, Hapye Starihope you o a tamespace quality ta your families Ar not fust off just like to tike everybody V eachedover three hundred Subscraus, which fun a couple of weeks is unbelievable. Ijust lake to rely, think everybody subscribed and if you haven't, if yourea heard the UBSCREEN, but no be certainly Wa. What Ou myef happy HoopiBostd join wat join Harton PO A and on legend Oin, the Foro Meggagoscogin anotSomeo, sixty five te day so happy Bosti to Yous. Do you guytsyeaaty to shoot s FUC, so who's Waiminn, Chris Yeah? Yes, Il obsutely, Yeah Yeah! Guys,thanks for tuning in and remember, do send us any messages. If you want toget on live, do follow the scape length that EAD had put up. Our Mark M had putup on the form and so on. If you're not sure what that is- and you want to beinvolved- just send us a message and will send you the link to it. The first thing we're going to have alittle lookout today is the situation of contracts hyspecifically. What we'retalking about is manmager contracts and what seems to be most common these daysfor managers is either a fixed term contract or a ruling contract. Now I'vebeen having a bit of a look at this and trust me when I say hat contract law initself is a very, very specialized field in the legal world, and it needs a long period of study usuallytakes years to have he full knowledge of the ens and iuts of the many tripesaf contracts that are available. It's you know so complex it', so thatmany lawyers actually make an entire career out of it and it becomes theirSol area of speciality, whether it's Stealin with everyday people likeourselves and every day, jobs or high profile leaders, an industry or sport,noht football manager contracts can be very, very complicated and that's oftenthe reason why they take an awful lot longer to Nihol Shar. Now,metaphorically speaking, no matter what contract is being used for footballmanagers on one hand, some of the content of the contract is greeting thenew manager with a smile at the front door when he signs it. But on the other hand, some of thecontent is actually showin them that it...

...results, aren't good. The door hingescan open outwards as well as inwards, and he can be taken. Thap Walk just aseasily if it doesn't work out. So, in effect, what I'm saying is that wist,the salary and other terms will be agreed that the idseb contract- itusually also includes th, severance terms as well. So what we're going tolook up briefly- and I do mean briefly- are the Mene differences between afixed term contract and a rolling contract for football managers, and themen pros and cons for each of them and highly affect both parties. So well,look briefly at a fixed term contract and with all heard the headlines andfootball cho blog signs five year, dial to manage united and so on, andessentially what that means is that the manager has a five year day in the club.If it all goes well, he might get a year three R, four and then he and theclub can perhaps agree a further extension,even though the original contract hasn't ended or even go close to it. Sothe prose of a fix term contract well for the club to begin with, they havesecured the manager for a fixed term, and it gives them some foundation tobuild on moving forward. If a successful only then attracts theattention of another club, then at least the EXISTENC club is in aposition where it can demand substantial compensation to help andfind a replacement. Now, a big benefit for the manager of afixed term contract is that he has a greater sense himself, long termsecurity, but he also knows in the background that if it does go wrong,then it gives him the chance to settle for a pretty large pay off. So, even ifhe's walking away hurt by the failure, a can self medicate, Babana Ouferari ora Villaian Spian or Mayby, both so the Ding sides of a fixed termcontract and for the club. Well, they could findthemselves paying a huge amount of compensation to get rid of a manager F,it's not working iuht because he still has the remander ofthe contract technically still stills run not for the manager. One of thedine sides is that a long terb ck contract could work against him. If he.If, for example, his Dream Club comes in two years into a five year, contract inhis existent club can demand a huge amount of compensation in order for himto leave. It could be the difference between him going or not going so. Ineffect, the determination of a long term contract can be a very, verytricky affair. Andif things are not going well, even after one season and the club wontto sack em or try to come to a Mitchel agreement, abouthis departure, thenboth sides have to sit down and look at determination of it and they have to doso in a ways hat suits them. They don't have to think about the other party largely, but they have to do with suitthem, and when that happens, then it usually comes down to money and italways ends up an agame of Captin mice to her gout our settlement. So we you know at the end of the day, youknow if FA managers unhappy with any settlement, the club can alsoinvoke clases like stop in the manager from working housewhere for a period oftime, unless he agrees to some kind of settlement, or at least shows aswelling ass, to come to a settlement from most managers. If they leave oneclub, what they want to do is try and move on to another one right away. Soif they're going to be subjected to closes you, if we are paying you xpines,then you can't work anywhere else for a certain period of time. Most managersdon't want that, and given the high profile nature of the job, it mayparticularly good to a new employer if the manager shows himself to be adifficult employee at the clubbies currently ad, bearing in mind that he'sprobably been very, very well paid so far in his career, so you know it just.It throws up more potential problems if they want to try and terminate acontract partway through it. If everything is going well, like I saidearlier, they might come to three years into a five year contract in thess age.You know you love us. We Love You! Let's extend that contract for another,whatever it is period of time, so there are potential issues with fixedterm contracts. Now in stark contrast to that, we hen have the rollingcontract. Now, of course, it isn't...

...common for players to have rollingcontracts, because it's it's the very length of the remaining contract at thaclub that usually determines the size of the transfer FAA club can ask for aplayer, so they look upon a player as an asset of the club a'm at usually anheir interest to have them tiget downed. You know, if he's a decent player, ofcourse, it's usually in their aniterest to have them tied down to a deal andthen review it on a regular busis to make sure that he considered that hecontinues to be an asset for the club so on it for the purposes of what we'relooking at today, we're looking at ruling contracts for managers. Now, this kind of contract is verycommon in the world of football managers, and probably more common thanmost fans realize you in reality, it is considered to bea much easier contract to work with as long as book, Tho Club and the manageragree at the beginning, youknow there are some managers who will consider arolling contract because of the potential loss of money. If it doesn'twork out for them at a club, but I think it's far to say that in mostgases a club will certainly prefer it because it gives them a fixed financialliability. If things are not going well and they want to ship a manager right, but just like a fixed term contract, arolling term contract, the terms of it ar agreed a at the beginning. You knowthat that basically DEU o that doesn't change for any of them. They ythe first example of a contract that Iare offer roling contact tat, I remember, was when Martino Nal joinedCeltic. Now, I'm not saying it didn't happen anywhere else before, but thatwas the first one that sort of became important to me. Initially, I thought it was odd and Ifelt that it showled a lack of comvitment by the club, Andarea Abhey,just given a one year rolling contract, but in reality it was and a continuesto be, a hugely flexible contract option for football managers again aslong as both parties are comfortable with it by Martineau Nal said that he had a new cont. He had a new twelveco twelve month contract every morning as ad he woke up. That was the way hisDal was structured and at the time I didn't really knowwhat he meant by that. But when you break it down, what it really meant is that he had an indefinite contractwith Celtic under twelvemonth aspect offered simply meant that either he orthe club could give the other party twelve months notice determinated todeal. If the club acsusives that option, then the manager would be entatled totwelvemonth Salari as a settlement, and if the manager exercised that optionand Solighe the contract, then the club knew that they had twelve months tofind a replacement manager. Obviously it could also mean that theclub could go IUT to morrow and find a new manager and simply pay the existemanager off unusually, that would be completed without any objection. Sothen, being benefits of a rolling contract for the club is that they havea defined payoff. They knot well in advance. If we ever want to get reallyJimmy, then basically what we're paying is a one year salary for the monitator himself. The benefithe has is that he has twelve monsalary guaranteed and neither party needs toget involved in this game of CAFTAIN Moson, arguing about how it's going tobe settled, and so on. No the dineside. There is, of course, a downside forboth parties to are rolling contrapact for the club. Let's say: Theyre bring aPLA a manager in and he has been hugely successful for them. Then another clubcould come in and try and take them away, knowingthat they wouldn't have to pay a huge amount of compensation together,bearing in mind that all they have to do is wit for a year and they give themfor nothing. It's the same way. If you look at a player coming into the lastyear of his contract, if he's a decent player in the club values em, theydon't like it, they get nervous about lasting contracts, so they do try andsign them up for longer contracts. It's a same scenari with a manager, so thedineside for a manager of a rolling contract is that, yes, you know by by agreeing to a twelve month rolling contract, and they don't have thatpotentially large payoff compared to if he were, for example, sacked a yearinto a fourr five year contract. He...

...could intheory demand an awful lot morethan twelve months salary to settle that agreement. So you know with contracts guys I'm tryingto keep it very, very simple, because trust me, the contract laws hugelyhugely complex, and but I've tried to give a short into thepointer sincerely hoping do go some way to explain the men differences betweenthe two, both contract types of their strengths and their weaknesses, butwhat's important for anyone who signs them as with every one of us in thedecisions we make in everyday life, is that both parties are happy with whatthey sign up to the beginning and e can't complain of the goes against themsomewhere down the line. You know they know the petfalls. They know thesecurities of both. So, on that note I'll hand you all back to a safeparohans pauld back to you yeah, so like we're looking at that, we nowsetic I've done ta for years this Vodioof Lan contract, Yo tink that hasput off matagors actually Commeng to the club and bunge that well beinglinked wit this year. Would they be wanting to look for a more for year,contract water than this one year, contract like if he's going to get aforyour contrect club is Satori for your project for your rebuilt roterdown this Ruw and contract o you on sort o of being there at the indises?Is the culture going to roll on? What's your opinion thet? Well, well, you donan old furness Pallyo, and that is a good point that you make whoever ournext manager is you now just because Seltic have normally used rollingcontracts in more recent years. It doesn't necessarily mean that they'reagainst the option of a fixed contract if they feel that they've got the rightman for the job and they feel that he's as committed to the cause as they areso really when it comes to contract negotiation. You know it isn't, as itisn't a a case of Celtic only or for rolling conjact. That may be theirpreference, and you can understand why there were advantages to it for theclub, but it doesn't mean that a Setin stoneat that's the way it's going to beo yeah, the Don your rod just Wul, not all on contract and that work to it.Welfors Oyeah, THAT'S WHA! I was trying to say, like you know, we kind of gaverargeas a plan, we don't. We gave him a contract. Well, he left to thatContrack bus. If new man was comed in if it's going to be any hoe, if wedon't know whoevers going to be a the club, like is disticult, be Tho selingpoint vice foot tree tee for your conjact is a big Wil bin Promling wegive we we give you for your contract. We want you in place for these fouryears. You think they, God are they going to say, look one yoar all Poug, Ithink it', a tring. I show the project. There's no point. Yo often I gu a ine,your wrong controm, Fethos, comaniill, Take Min just go tanisually at least agree is be here for four or five years to see thid you tosee the Jo fanishtaned idea yeah. I just get the impression tlike. If, ifwe said to I, we notice a bigreebuill diseason and if the CLOB AR suggesten aone year wrong contract. If I was a manager gone w when Youre on contractdo I want to stay here for like one year, one contract? I want somesecurity for four five year contract. You know that kind of way, yeah ae Magobe lookidg at that way. Yeah! Well, you see, there's a very good point. Youknow just on the live stream. Ner George mcdoeell mcdoall and you know IDmentioned you know. Selndi got a a really really goodcompensation package for Rogers rumored to be somewhere around abouteight or nine million pounds or somewhere in that ball park. Hewouldn't have got that our Celtic wouldn't have got that had rogers beenin a one year, rolling contract, so younow. So there are the benefitscoming through there off. What I'd said earlier about the club can benefit. Ifanother club comes in and wants to take their star man which Rogers was for us,he was an absolute top lad when he was with the clubas manager andthat's the benefit to the club. You know, but those things can you knowagain, it's a trad off. You know it's wondering you know what will happen inthis scenario. You know Rogers. To be honest, I believe thatwhen Roger signed was Celtic for what was it at three or four year contractLi Itsda, it was' in a few Fok Ja, seen it God, just sened Ding a one year,Rong contract, then from Daw to them one. What was that from day, one Hart?Yes, so initially its a one year rolling, contracto her and then itwrite you shill forget the so yes abs, we give them we of Tem towon your one contract, see what we cause demi mov in to cave, morelongtime coltrack with them ten MN, Yoknowat, sute Rujus, be runnin.GOINGTO, see really finds you up, yon it sid he die get out. There is weall,then well in hindsight. You know again...

...when we look back at that guys if Rogerstarted off in a rolling contract and then got a longer term contract. Thatwas clearly a very clever move from Peter Lawwell, because that's somethinghe would have been instrumental in at the time. So for all our credicism of Lawwell,you know etcer, etc. We can go on about that all day. That was actually one ofthat was one of this finer moves, because if Rogers had been kept on aone year rolling contract, we would never have got it or nine million orwhatever the figure was for him to go to Leister just te Duttor, ten terrancecarsy. Surely it makes sense to agree a conversation package if a managerleaves a cortain percentage and Harvis in a contrpact is what is alwas in acontract Soisnhe clont anyway. That Yep, like I said at the very beginning,whilst they're showon Yoa the DOORNS, and welcome in they're, also tellingyou that the door works both ways and a pitoesn't work out. Here's how we'regoing to send you IHT. This is the Deag we're going to do to to get rid of you. Give onadordmen her from Alexander GiveAman a minimum for your contract extended if ye need to SWA team peoplekind of saying to give them a Caof, a longtime contract. Instead of this oneyear, roading kindove Ting Startan, offerus pus. We can actually see whythe club offor that no, the on your wrong prove yourself, and then we kindof give you this long Tom, rolling, contract and intist. You know, I think,we're in a position. Nowther were a manager of potential quality, whetherit's the EDII or whoever. They are now in a strong position where they cancome in. Seeing you know, look as we all know. The turmoil that has happenedat Celtic this year, a decent manager of quality, can, Ibelieve, come in and say. Look if you want me. These are the terms that I'mprepared to come on, not a new manager. You know simply because you knowthey're, obviously going to put it to the club and say look you're, notlooking at a six month fix here, you're looking at a two three or whateverseason fix here. I oyou want me here for that period of time. I want you toshow me the commitment of that DAS. We have dare from Glasgo Green, I don'tthink of Bonya. Wan calcak would interest a big Nawleger. You know likeif someone who's been in the Premier League just liking the club but Liisthe mally clups outer to actually do a one year, roln contract. Well, it's not to read that it's realfo! It's not that common yeah utsde, maybe thes money, just justmaybe thes! You know QUITF. I seen this food your contract and a year doingelane. My wife wants me back don in Bormoth, so the one who contract to work eitherway. It's ages, the managers are get Isrelifty, they don't sat a lot peer ofa family, Disneyshit, Gona Door, actually Ma d es. There's a good onhere from ocemand. Would Ed Eddy Hoe, befor Long Tome contract to offer moresecurity and allow him to move his family up to Glasgow instead of a oneyear of roll contract theas long time he could move his famy up Ho know O erfor three four years. You know you can you can understand why that wouldappeal to him. You know t you know really the only way to know whether arolling contract or a long fixed term contract was the right choice. Is whenyou lookin hindsight and say: Did we BOI you know did? Did we make the rightcall there, because, when you're planning an advance, you know it it'sLi. Nobody knows if we're going to be alive tomorrow, never mind still beinggood health and still have the same frame of mind and still have to see himenthusiasm for it, for whatever the challenge is so it's difficult to know. I Imagine Eddi Hi is in a very strongposition now, if it im that is coming next, to actually demand a longtermcontract and any manager of any credibility. Tik there are managersthat wouldn't accept a rolling Contra. You know you take mean, for example,pepguardial is next job when he decides to leave civy or Yergan clop when hedecides to leave liverbrill they'll not go anywhere in a Lo on a twelve year ortwelve months. Rolling contract they'll be looking for long term stability because they willargue it's this longterm commitment that allows me to build in the philosophies that first attractedyou to come and talk to me and Lok Ju Sen, te Begat by an exact objectexactly and the insurance policy for that manager is. If I go to your cluband a term ight to be a horror show, then I know that financially, I'm goingto be well looked after because, whilst it's rare for a club to ever pay outevery penny of the duration of a longterm contract, they usually come tosome compromise somewhere along the...

...line, because you know it then alliwesthat manager to Gal and work elsewhere. Otherwise he would have to e sit on hishands every day or cut in the grass every day. That's what Godcan W whetEXAC, that's exactly what it is and any manager who's still a positive,enthusiastic manager doesn't want that, but those managers are usually in aposition. As I mentioned earlier, they have been fantastically well paired,they're, not sitting withen hi Mak going to pay the mortgage. You knowthese guys are not going to have a mortgage, you know, so there is of course, going to be theEagle thing come into it. You know, and I'm not accepting this line and I'm soon, but eventually there has to be an agreement between the club and themanager. If both parties want to move on oninhabited that they have to cometo some sort of agreement, but it is exceptionally rare that any club willevery will ever pay every penny off every year of that contract. TAT isleft perfect, so I think we' goant to move land. I think that's AldecatinBaui just think we can comver o Por, as we don't know who temanger is and whatContrack we're going to be looking at. So just just just talk about Chris. Have youany more rumors on the SIDEEF E club? Are we moving out from this Totley? Ohlets. You know at the end of the day, Paul you know the rimors. Are you knowbigand getting bigger, you know as every day goes by, but it's you rumorsaure a strange thing and by the way, guys before well mention any rumors. Let me just make it clear to you, whilerumors are exactly that, so I'm not claiming to have any inside knowledgeand neither do Marcropole so anything, I'm reportant is Beseton, nothing morethan is being reported and widely available in the media. So please donot listen to it to today's show and then go online and gample your wife'shousekeeping money on the strength of anything yeahactall. Wan Get youropinion just before we move on the next topic is I readhet this morning is callJosoff the lad from Sheffley Wednesday. I actually thought his deal was done,but supposedly Newcastle ore actually look at him. Ind kind of looking onthevon noses to do the same way as Liverpool did with Ben Davis and IV. Weher ritthing on that. Well, no, but you know the reality is that you knowwe're in a position where no Ayou Thi Sher thing about Jeffe Weddesdaynown sto is saying that precontract with Celtic H it who's Tha, cal, Jose. If youedon't in about Er, yes, yeah, I'm getting stop wttyeahameshowsdifferent. No, but as far as far as the rumors are concerning guys, like I sayyou know, do your own research and satisfy yourselves, but whether I storyis factor fitching and I think the biggest story that we need to bethinking about a demended as far as rumors is concerned. Is The news that'scoming out today if it's true is about Don mcki, actually joining Celtic,possibly as soon as tomorrow? It? and to be honest, if that happens,it doesn't come as any surprise to me at all, because, with the size of thetask in hand, I never for once thought that it was going to work at the RAFWevery day until the thirtieth of June and then walk into Celtic Park the nextday as a on guy. It doesn't never. It was never going to happen so he'sclearly already involved in the manager recruitmin process, because he met withEddie high last week and I'm sure he's he's got his fingers dipped into lotsof other things. It Celtic as well you end of that are maybe not public. So ifboth parties are agreed, then it has to be a good thing and it can only be astapment from the club and if the rumors are correct, though wecould be about to make a double statement to the Stock Exchange,because and for the manager, Roll Eddie hih continues to lead Tho field, assome say, it'll be annigce. Tomorrow, whilst others like JFP and lenen worker,still harboring thoughts that Kingwo's going to make a lit run on the railsand peck them at the Post, I do say that in Jes by the led, I'msure Gfpl Megga's position clear when he comes on a shortly. But as Paulmentioned yeah, like I say, Paul mentioned hat-that JFP's going to be join this, but it appears that divy proven has beenfeedin that story about Kino. I think he must have been in the stable givengiven of some steroids because he clearly favors e, the gentle naturedformer Manon Naed Lagon, so we'll just have to see what happens with that. The one thing that is interesting- andperhaps it's further proof if it were...

...needed that mediasites and newspapersare full of nonsense. Most of the time is that, ever since it became officialat Eddy, I met with Celtic last week pretty much every one of the other, socalled odds on favorites in the rist. They seem to have either pulled up orfall, not the last turdle, because their names have pretty much vanishedfrom the commentry altogether. So it's a kiss of fingers cross for us all, amwe'll just see what happens very soon. Now. As a footnote, though, I thinkit's worth remembering that even if Eddy Hig is appointed in the next fewdays, he may not necessarily take the rams with immediate effect, becausethere has been talk for her a while that John Kennedy was promised to ruleuntil the end of the season, and that may well still happen. But, regardlessof what happens, I think he deserves a role in o new setup. He has received alot of Onfur flack, in my opinion, for Lennon's field season, but before thisseason even began, John Kennedy was more praised and criticized for hisbehind the scenes contribution to the club hes. Clearly a guy that sell Dickthrough and through, and he deserves to be rewarded moving just quickly, then,on to the players side, rumors. Well as far as players leavingit's the usual suspects, it's a normal speculation, there's a lot of mediatalkabout certain players and on thempeople claiming to be close to them, sayingone thing and another. But you know, apart from a small handfullex ofexceptions, and I'm talking primarily the likes of Edward and ior, maybe oneor two others. I wouldol really be giveng those rumors an awful lot ofrecognition at deminute and I woul. I would urge you all to think the sameway, because the new manager, whoever he is Yo, want to see what he has towork with before decideand who he can work without, but something,incidentally, that might be happening- and I think it was mentioned on the forum just over a week ago by aI think it was carvily three mentioned of about Patrick Clemala, possibly Goineto America on either a lone or a permanent move, not on the weekend.Rumor that we did. I said I 'd find nothing on that story to give it anyNCREDIBILITY, but it seems to be gathering a bit of ahead of steam andther are numerous media at lets. Reportin that bu it Isit sorry, Packto C story: Yep, Yep, betlthere you go yeh it. Maybe that's what it is, but apparently New York RedBolts are possibly interested. So I cain bi, wait and see, but you know ifthat does come through, then halve softto care, because when he firstmentioned it, it was way under the Redar. Coming to the end here, Barcassrimor still going on AK allegently interested in taking themback on some capacity, possibly anlone, but he seems to Loke him to go now.That could be an interesting decision by him. If it's true, like many of said,he didn't become a bad goldkeeper overnight. Moving on Packy Bonner,rackons griff has finished its Celtic. It is starting to look that way and ifit is true, then, in my opinion he has wisted is talent through as otherdistractions in life and it'll be a shame of it does happen. But if theclub makes that decision then will have to support it. Callum MC Greggor,liatest, rumor, suggested Lester could make a move fom him this summer. Mytake is that if he wants to leave- and only if he wants to leave then haveunless to com in firm- could possibly Generat interest from other clubs,because they will know that Rogers has worked with them and if he's interested,perhaps they should be too and that can only help start a financial battle thatwould ultimately benefit Celtic and I finally on players going Yolistn. I keep saying it, but I'm soconvinced that Levin Bruny leaf was a huge mistake. So much of his heartstill at Celtic club should have kept them. Finally, on players coming inwe're seeing lots of speculation about Eddie Hawhom Eddie Hi may bring in ifhe is the new manager. There's been talk of him. Reading bornmouth forcertain players, like the big defender, Steve Cook, Tey near he's, coming up onthirty, maybe still as a few years left and them on the golkeeper andAsmiobegovitch. Now he's not far of thirty four, but in gold term andgoolkeper terms he still in his prime now it was originally cleard to bothwere out of contractat the end of this season. But I've read a few unconfirmedstories that both had actually signed, unreported extensions not very long ago,but again unless, unless we know we just have to guess at Tham, so as faras rumors are concernied guys that pretty much sum set up for Noi, but wekeep an eon on ews wires before the next rumors riund up and in themeantime, it's back to mark and Paul over the UNGA. So we've going to moveon there, we just jump back we're going to talk about the match on Saturday.Fair enough, we want you. Thetit was a...

...great school Li, go to see James Farsand Christie under score seat for a change fors Mo situation. is we stilltalkd a second half to get this game on the raps? Again? We actually, we justcouldn't get this game done. endorsted in the forst tar and, I think thatsbeing the problem. This season is Thas the first half of the of the match. Wejust cannot play and kill off again in the fost, thefirst half torcter obggisea w put some good footbone dthestove. I you se should have been harm on tipitas about forty two shorts ago, yeah yeah din't buied long before halftea. Could you think it up basy? I thinkyou'r right mark and I think you' really. I comes down to listen. Youknow! Yes, you. If you were to look at that game purely bestd on the stat, youwould say Celtic destroyed them and, yes, okay, we ran out comfortable threeNAI when I don't think they had a shot in the entire game on. You knowontargetor off target, but yes, you kN. I think it really comes din to playerconfidence in front of Gol. You know: Griff Griff got a good chance, Yehad,two or three clear COT chances. He wasn't able to make the most of themand I just think it comes down to the attacking confidence. Last Saturday we should have, as you say, mark putthe game to bed long before half time. You Look at look at Saveco yesterdayagainst Co, rang us. She knew to Er foreneilap, but half time Ye. Okay,they didn't score in a second half but lik they didn't need to you. Nit was adamage was like Bububu. Why is that th t that's? Why is that like? Like it'sbeen? It's been like this, but the whole season Ta, we just can'. We justcan't get motivated for the first half Ma. If you LE just a you'll, be jumpingat your chance to start wouln't Yo. I should be shit UN Yo. No, you I'm Goni,I'm going to the oven. I can es go to hearttrack at least the other day. Yeahfanser did Thas respecte focup, but hos a bike. My Golf between the two clubs,the's, like Graffis, should have been geting there and seen im I dotathe Focu,but if I get ego se that's going to put that's going to dee me good, that'sgoing to meet me, Look Willa and Ni yeah, exactly exactly yeah yeah. I think the with any. You know,irrespective of what walk of life you're in when you're suffering from alack of confidence, then you do get an opportunity, it's very easy, to try andgrasp utter too quickly and and then miss the opportunity hat that wasactually presented and football being such a fast moving sport. Of course,these these opportunities come and go on half a second, and when a player's confidence is low, youknow, I think it needs hat. You know it texts them to have numerousopportunities before they get one, but when they get one, you quickly findthat they get two and three, and I think really that just seems to be amajor thing for us right across the the Attackin side of the team. Thisseason there as just been that lack of confidence- and I think, a lot of thefront like the the cothe striker confidence ore, the lack of it has camefrom the lack of confidence, basically right back to the goldkeeper. It justseems to be our lack of teen confidence and everybody suffers it to varyingdegradeas result of it moved on Fon that it was good to see him back and itwas good to see him actually have a good game and he actually showed uswhat we'v Missed Ou this season was. Was We James Forest? You know what heshowed us, what we missing down that Whit Wing, but we've played domouspayers and apposition this season. No one could have filled this and it wasgood to have them back yesterday. Mark O, I definitely keep seeing of Lodlie bit for is Bigis Fine, but you can' argue Wi, withes, gavens and goals andassess over the years, but it was good to see him by, but I think it justwouldn't even sut again at highlahts to Needt back up re waning around for nextseason. Oris, I think he's getting old, Derris wel Wi. My bet pack up, we NugGos noon again, wit e Best Timemak ar forest. So go I'v just going to justgoing to see that Wecani go back to train yo play up central Madfield up inaait Wen. We need to get up understudyrat when Oen. Even is thatone in the yous team that can make your step up to be back up, but you think basty. No, I think you'reabsolutely right. I think you're absolutely right mark, and you know Ithink, just overall Yeh, we JM Z- and I know that youhavementioned a few times in the for mark- that you K. you've had your criticism,Solf Om and I think the criticisms that you'd pointed out about him wereabsolutely well finded, because there were times when he did flatter todeceive, but this season we, you know...

...it shows you just how important aplayer he has been for us, because we have missed hem hugely, and I think I shoot part of ourgem does rely on them or at least in a formation that includes them as someoneplaying on that position and we haven't been able to repleare them and haveeven a quarter of the impact that he has had in games. So U he'll heel, Jims e good to see youback, I'm glad to see you and I hope you heare from many seasons to come. Itake the best seeason Isa of joes forest is when we have when we hadparcick Roberts on the books and two, the were playing against each other,that that just shows its good to have two people in the one position that aregoing to compete to each other and of the levels of football that to go toplay. You know wthe Yepmost, I gotin WTIV said before Glik mgre a Ho rubbishthe play the starting every week. That's not. Eight players have got tiol.If you're no Plang Wer yourthe team did you start proving in taning you desevea chance. Again, I don't mean just having one bad game. I'm talkn a bitover consestint period for plasing about our bad forum should be droppedso yeaexact, but I dot that's the problem at the on we put into squad. Weactually don't have people to commint to these positions to dop. Theseplayers really do we, you know, is but yeah, but if you look there, it MeanasAsa'l Alexander. There says on the on the life chat you Kow Kennedy has usplanned some good football and and as a tankit Bos, Boza had thrown upa staft there that I thought actually was quite impressive: The number ofshots yeah under Kennedy from Balles Es, Ovinyea, ninety seven shots and fourgames. You know, I think any club in any league in anycountry would you do a fuberd off or them ninety seven shots. Now, that'snot ninety seven on target! Obviously, but you know that's up to the player,whether it's on target or not, but to have a team set up in a formation thatallies you the opportunity to have ninety seven shots and four games. Youknow if addy I or whoever comes in and was able to produce those sort of stats.You know it behealed as a hero, and this all comes back to t. You know topart of the what I was saying earlier. You know Kennedy Joesn't get Kennedy,just' get enough prayers, he seems to be a gay. You know he's notot. Looking for the prayers he's totally committed to the club, and youknow, but ninety seven shots and four games. Who could argue with that? Youknow those are very, very good. Okay, almost half of them came in one game. Iappreciate that, but still it doesn't matter, it's it's Helican play, as yousaid, BESD it's common down to lack of countence Lino storycoes as a Comdo arstriker on man. Take. I doesn't want to be there and that's why we're not putway these chances. Yo Know Isai Yep, absolutely you know, and yes, whistEddi is playin. When he's chosen. You know it's quite clear that his demeanoris it's not what it was when he first madeto break through Ino the first team. You know look back at Eddie, then youknow he was hungry. You know he put away more opportunities in his early days than hit has beenrecently, and I you know it hasn't I's, not an old player at all. You know hehasn't even reached this full potential. Yes yeah, so yeah it really. It clearlyis coming down to Arotute Deriam, so we had ice, Mandar, wead, ninety sevenshorts on only five doors and three of them, comeing against Fordcook Jusjus,shows within the lack of confidence or what it is. We actually don't know whatGon Os to strike Forse, but one Tam I talk about is Ryn Christi, ActuallyKeeping The ball don'G for change and getting Ta Goll. So tangarti kept aboil of for chaids, because our pigeon had a fun come on yeas and he wasflaying OFA Paraqueda I actually caught the pigeon was going to be histly. SoutFise Oo. Unfortunately he kept it down and we got a God so yea I fiv months,wot cristy for us. Well, the thing is, though you know is Christies, perhapsis his adaptation in his play? Is Tup DineJohn Kennedy having a word with them, you know it's could be yeah yeah it jusshows like, but I don't know what it is. Is it the way he positions himself isit? Is he take taking too much time in thebar before he shots odid? He have less time yesterday and he shot the bond hekept it on. You have to put those things into caterfactor you know, is heis he spent? Is he spending too much time thinking on the Bob and before weshowed nee blows up ove the Barror I just take in. I me gets the ball. It'sall that San es mained, as I'm going to make pits shut. Io is thats what itseems to do as soon as hit ball gets to him. You know whahe's Goin. He desGodhe Make Pese in shut. I think it's a matter of the likes ofChristy Tran Tofind, TAT balance. You know when I get the ball. Do I go onshirt or Yeahyadoa lat off to someone...

...else who maybe is in a better positionto either shoot or to set someone else the opportunity to have a God goal? Andyou know e. When you see these things happen andwhen you do disect a lot of them it it makes you realize. Well, it certainlymakes me wander anyway about Lenon's. Absolute lack of attention to detail inthe game you know, Lenin is was more. In my opinion, a bit of a you know:Gungho Guy, you know you're playing for Seledick, you bu a top thumper Gogs,just exact Li, easy upboning. It boning your heat, Raki, Anti Hem. That canexactly exactly without any real strategy, and whereas I mean I'm suresomeone had posted up on the forum and I had to look at one of the youtubevideos about hi. Eddy Hih was working with his players and it looked like itwas a bit of a summer ar a holiday Trinand camp, and goodness me I meanthat guy was exceptional in hi, was communicating with players and gettingand encouraging them to buy into thes system that he was wanting to play, andyou could see the players you know, even just by listening t him weremaking those efforts and Makeim those runs and bying into his philosophy, andI thought it was tremendous to watch. You would never have seen somethinglike that from then and Lenon would have been more a shuter and roaring ofplayers. You know what the effere you doing and so on, and so on that thatwas his style and what you K, which really makes it moremore clear to us all that what we need is a manager who actually does havestrategic thinking and does have a philosophy, and not only that, cancommunicate that philosophy in that style of play to the players and of thepleas work GIV by an ease ideas yeah, because I new point: a manager,Camilin an start, Lik Imin Plav, something o Goin in byNy, but that all comes down to the communication, because in Iny yeah,that's THATA thinking this Istelack of communication between the playerstrying to form to dlens formation wit, it anti. I watched Om this season, I'mnot juse ses. This season was going into kind of the end of last season.His Berlin was creeping in orte Twain. That Lennin was Gere, that the playerswere kin of getting confused what the position was or what their role wasButin the team. What exactly you know, a yeah and that's what that's? Whatcreates the confusion? Because, at the end of the day, we're not talking abouta bunch of guys playing in the local park in a Sunday morning we're talkingprofessional footballers plan at the top level, and you know whict. Yes, it does comedown to their ability on the patch and whether they can kick a ball or whetherthe can't they still need encouragement. They still need direction. They stillneed someone to say to them. This is what I want you to do in your old,because if you do this correctly, it allows him to do his job properly andso on and so on, because the reality is that in any walk of life, you cannearly encourage anyone to do almost anything. You want as long as youexplain it to them in a way that they understand, and I think that's whatlthen and fail down Thi Eas. Yes, I have one here and rob. Macner and edament ofChristie's game has not been evident. This season, which is what is awhattalking about, is ese pressing Christy was very good, appressing and is, andis quicker this. This could be a MORJUB major Boris for the way that Ho how helikes to play now how he likes to play this plessing game. Could that soChristy? If he's actually going Ta, be her next season or you know tothe last. Thank you, yeah WLL, Idon't think you'll be here. Yeahb Sen, I seen him SEING BU is NoalyJod that that season, but the last few seasons depressed cristy, was one ofthe mean guys that done the plass. For this yeah yeah you'll been playing upto scatchis. That's feel I e Israel, Fu o Mas res to it, should be Preson. Ithink the over teams should, I think, the what what we need to remember guysis because we've had a disastrous season. It doesn't mean we havedisastrous players, the players that we have are capable of achieving what wewant to achieve as long as they are being led by a manager who givesthemself belief, tactly jets, the best out of every one of them, becausethey're all used to playing with each other wel have to remember that Oure,most of them for quite a few seasons. So that connection has been there for quitesome time, and I think you know usome when the players are sitting around ontheir own. When Lennon was here, I'm...

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...and the statement tat was made when it',some esteems Hav come to the in the club, O isofthe Erend Ivesexual, somesome of the stuff. The boards allowed themselves to be TVPA Gan up. I would never come upin.The Gon avd clay, Thatr, going Anyoro thes am even Spinki and in Efuses,because I all and I'm all known an I wouldn't even with even Shidan Osh it.I just wonder which WIS tin it this Mo Wat. Is it a bigger problem being inthe scenes, a most quanties that would have beenten years ago, thit Siti we going to do the profesion Ting and get eans nomor. I think Ou'r right Jon, because I thinkcertain actions over the last few seasons by the club have showon thatnot only as there a disconnect between the club and the vans, but it alsoleads you to wonder Insurat in ter a disconnect even at the top level of theclub, and is the change from Lawwell to mackayh going to ffecx. That connection,who knows we know, were all and at were all in ha situation where we'rewondering we're guessing. You know. As far as the new manager is concerned,you know we've spoken to any any high. Officially did we speak to Roy Kin?Officially, did we speak to any other managers? Did we even take the troubleto sign those other managers? Ite are those other potential managers? Did weeven take the trouble to sign them out? The problem? Is the fans don't evenhave the confidence in the club Ay even have done that re exactly as Li thinslike that, they they really cin of just talk to Ka Person. WHO's Ol e Olecontract at this moment is any hole cheap option that they don't have tobuy. Some O the cuntract with in a farm club, BITNISSIBE DUTCHY POP soo. I I teRegie t'll, be getting Wen. He sad tat, Chep Pok. No, I'm not sying the cheap option asin a weekly rage, but I'm saying that we don't have to Boym over contract or Artinghe's of a joting. We would haveWen for Eddy Hol. He was still I dont a bom o Mar Thank. We could a forton. I think if Ery Hih was still in bornmurth and were still in the premior league, he wouldn't have consideredcoming to seltic. Anyway, I think its got B, Fak SOC ACIN Wasbu. I don'tthink we could AVFO even asbornih. I do wantti crazy money for him. One thing we haven't heard anythingabout Io Kno. It was muted a couple of months ago or a few monthsago was the talk that potentially dermic Desmon's son was going to comeon to the board and, be you know, an intecal part off the board. But apartfrom the early rumors of that story, it never really grated it never reallybuilt up any heav of steam or gaind any so footlt. Kanofdido when I in I cameold after a couple f days, really didn't iter, you know, like Ia desmensplace at the AGM, went to that Helpe, which not story a forwat about is rel.I mean, I think, DAS, med, Biti, think gazsme just com on websites night, an absent tlandlord, but I think at' whe wants TB. He does'tet want to be dully involvedin the day ID Runin nhice way you get TC. You was an he's, happy heav, hy,shers and stain the backgroound, but when hangs things s go in, it makes hesmoth. I read. I read an artic up your bit. Oll The champion feel yourservethe yeas, an new qualifyind. He should have done us. He should have done that,but or the last few years, with looking at Twefe whoave won. He Cant Tola Blowhas good to take someo the credit for Lik, Oh wellout, Dotya wellotose. Ithink low wel te Servie to take a huge amount of creditwenit Wen b. We took acredit and MNIT's no Wen wel, he's Feling y sort. I Ta Yo, but you knowdoesn't show you the fickleness of football fans and what we colerate andwhat we want. You know football fanship is a veryfickle activity. You know we we only remember the last result. You know, weonly remember it this season. We don't look back and say: Well, you know anold furnace. You know, yeah, we've won nine in aRowan. Wevh won a quadriple trable to US founds of Celtic. It's not good enough, because thisseason has ruined it and I think there was a huge I'm you, let's be honest. Ifwe had, if we had achief ten on a rol, a High Wae soplant anyway, I think Yehof less anyway. However, Hi Wouldt have benefited theclub going forward. Apart from having the bragger the bragging rights besty. Yes, John Isi, I think Thanko, you knowit's.

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...manager coming in is in the best position of any manager sinceMartinon the Ilcumen, because Martinan Al Commenat the time when there was ahuge amount of work needed and, to a certain degree, Martinau nail got whatMartineau nil wanted and because of the decline this season, the new managercoming in is hopefully in a position with a club, ere saying: okay, you tellus what you need to do this and given them a greater scope for doing what theywanted. Instead of having Lenin was at the end of the day, you know hewas simply going to buy to what lowwell wanted him to do. Rogers tried tochange at Nigt, genuinely think when Rogers came, he had a sincere intentionto be Otseltic for three or four seasons. I think he really had theintention, but he fiund that he was making so many obstacles that had madeit on tenible Forim, because whilst yes Celtic was going to be as mean FOCUSD,he is first and forced to professional football manager and he has to lookafter his own credibility in his own reputation as well, and I think he wasput in a position where he had to decide. I can't do both at this clubbecause of the way it' run. I have to choose what's right for them or what'sright for me, and he did what most of us would do in any walk of life. Hechose what was right for him and for his family, so hopefully, if you'll just best onthe story that I mentioned. Hopefully, the new manager in will be given somemore control over football than the last couple of managers Isihn.I think I think tha tei need to almost resor and tht's. That's Te Questioni'mgof cor and you guys are probably you know restes wit, but all guessing here,but you know as o of the business I kep in as the Forsat El just knew it be Ho,be looking at Seto Ge, exactly e been champing among the bombs. Isn't he goodanr, not just been better than the M, was never should never have been thebench, the bench mar the gap. Afinit the son and I said together just thethe traditional to the sorringeses and just bring next to the Giin Begat. TheGUUP was closing. I don't know how many teams Erkon had cities over the lastfew years. Anybody that thinks ittends, Lik, gove anspect before man. I thinkanybody that thinks a ned the GP is neclusion. You saw that you before bigcollapse, Tithi season, the Gat was closing Loseni Tan, where Hainse was inthe really isn't in the supperplase shouldhave been abeat the recruitment with her end thers. Somebody desision makethis terrible, but the mortal their model should be a should. Selty should be in Tasin Te.Basically, Li like Aou friendyiu would be able to do bring and pogasiarattract players with business model needs to be the opportunit to play andand Europe and accept, and that Wul now the biggest fashion in the sea and atlovs like what will be as a window, either tvp as much as it pins. Mei Sathat the chance you opportunity, European football gain two or threeyears oi Somday a team is a plnte. The best youth, that's looking to be in theshow, went doin an established playerer that will be Cosse the fortune thatmaybe can get us a be success, and as far as we possibly can inyour Europebarsason be thean. Yor Thinkin, the backpack a here there's a sumdiythinking. That knows, it just needs that been bar sa Bein bettr than theMorbin Governs Noenough, and it's noit's no enough for me and it's it'sno enough for many. Many people we need to the potential at Selty Park is I'smyself if tha more always embraced, but don' I've just get concerns just new.That ththere will be the right people thereat the moment. thetre thinking these tholks and thinking that thinking backthougts good thing, I a yeah chance mean you don't o even an the door. Yeah,it's Ot. I've got to hope that he's going toComman Ma Yeah Heyeah thanks COM N, just keeping Diners Dani Tto Keepis, Iout level he e that's just what we want to be dn infive yearthin Ho sack Bui det yeah, as bes as one of the he disney who you getthe inthe football seed, hangs wit as Loel thought he diad yea that guy wbecome rent an lesson if it bon't keople and like they make yourdecisions and that will make God a deference yeah. I John I John Woul. Yousaid I absolutely agree with you, because our target should never havebeen the Tam. Our targetes should have been getting big on thew European stage,and if we did that end o ten Wald, if km natural, I just want to Commenttraand to n se about us. It's L, so Wer, saying O we sould be Boardan, wes belooking for Europe between, but the Falins in Europe. An disyears in mymind is that we always waited far to...

...see if we go to clack qualify for theChampions League and if we didn't qualify, Dheath depended on our cridsfor business, so is mccoygong to come in and kin o change. This get the Pirsin before we gin to the Falifiers, as it is a too little time Kno for newlanger to make these decisions. Well, I think what's important in not Paul, andit was part of that ordical ad read a online this morning is that macayiscoming in he's not a football man. He knows he's not a football man, so he isgoing to listen to others at the club, who are football, people and they'regoing to tell him what they need, rather than him telling them whatthey're geving, which is the problem that we Han tat to say Wat Sam Mor thanbig it was Noyou Kno. Absolutely not! I think, because Peter Allpeter lawwellwas the man who yea listen. Nobody overall. If you look at Peter Larvo'stenure at Celtic, you have to say it has been a repoing success financiallyand you look compared to what it could have been if they had an average jow onthat job. But the problem, the problem has been that law will was clearly. Thedictaror of everything that happened on the football side and lowwall knewnothing about football, but he still took control and he tokguys euknow INA. You know a fist w exactly left, Itton Wat. Exactly youknow, law will fer stop to football guys at the club and basically said I'm I'm the top man you'll. Do what Itell you to do, I suppose to say unto them guys tell me: What do we need todo and if we confeded into the model, then we will do what you want to dobecause you're, the expert and I'm not but law will seem to become involved ona point himself as the football manager at the club will.That is at least if we believe everything we hear. But the thing is wehear it from so many sources that there has to be at least a degree of troicein tat. So I think you know Dom mcki, I think, brings a breath offreshair because he's bringing a strategy that is not going to bedetermined by you. Look at the end of the day. Yes Seyo, it's Goinna want tomake his position quite clear as e look guys. This is my rule was in the club,but hopefully the ENSONEM. If he's Dang his job, well Wa onemention of wellexactly exactly mark. You know it's like to say about a football refere.You know he's got a good game, but you know when, when he doesn't draw attention tohimself, can I just come inthor t to he ap show something dowr from the ligchart from tte, terrance scarcy said shurely. This is what to direct orfootballs for saw wes. We said DOMMIC macoy com in tomorrow, rigt O this week.Do we take? Do you think that oes a director football already how you boythe club and he's going to be speaking with mccoya WHA? What were the clubshould be going? Well, the problem with with harmot leaving an everthing thisweek, Lan last o the problem. Is We don't know you KN? Until we know wedon't know, and you know I suppose, if you look atmodern day football with all of the top clubs, they all have someone who fillfills or efells a roll as director of football, that's their job and theyhave it agreed between themselves. As with any organization that everybodyknows their role within the was in the company, and you know Ithink, if there is going to be a director offootball, you would hope that its going to be somebode in, but people havemuted the name of Furgal kin at Man, city and there's been a couple of othernames been thrown around as well, even what his name from shues from bornmouth ods WOM bornmajure ye yeah- and you know, I suppose, that's an automatic link, because if itis ay high as manager, then he knows a Richard us. You know he knows hem wellet ceteind the work together and Hafe clearly shown they can work togetherand he may be a name, an the Frem. If that is what what the Club of Chisen todo, you know it all comes down to whether the club decides they want adirector of football, and all of that could be part of the Eddi Hignecosiation. You know because it's you know with someone like edly Hih. If itis cut him coming in they don't also, you know they don't only have his hisin personal contract to nicotiate. They also have any demands that he hasas well. In order you know you can offer anyone a position, butthey may have other conditions that they want fulfill as well that I maybehe wants that or maybe Hes San O. I...

...don't need that, so these are all thethings that we don't know because, unfortunately, none of us ispart of the negotiation. Not None of us are parted in negotiation, so you knowit's easy to get wrap up in the speculation of it that it could be.thisenit could be that I think we've been a much better position as fancs tolook ahead to the next season. Once we know what tools we have in places andwhat the club structure is in order to take it forward and like once, we cantalk about it all day. It's always going to be speculation, but we canhope we can. I just want to Chor Tat Sang Question to Johnder John Yo thinkwe should be going DON director or football to modeize the club goneforward. I've hit Ak March, obviously he's kiling that ttepones tat. I don'treally. I don't really understand hat the nuanes enough tobbl comment. Can Ican I meninflin that Poma I can remember witthe Doglish bys rol wasmeant to Bethe olltomembers and Stil CA, witit disithougt. It was but eslly Directofo a charge. You afullFootball Department or the Skat Orthe Wa. Don' in this week he's sheewertalking about a bilt like a five year plan of project, Yeh, Yeah Jag Ja dothink she fo month. That's a Teepo in because you made this pointra few weeks.You've me that a few teams and exactlyy the manage the manager. If that meansTHA TDERECTER of football means a manager can leave, comes and goes inthe structure to the club. I that the football sathese things is anaffectedthats, a big technibx s as exactly o. It should Bewai keepsaeing that Sid Wud that we should begin don. It's not just amaagement sto look Atyou, you look at recruitment has been aenmate disaster. You know sitsupposedtobe mentioned join part and I join part. Wis Te Ous, defiment vouslyto our nees in te O is Cintue Toe Oan and I intentiol losing it. Then youcant even accuse it. What we can accuse the Boadin or spend ind money did thatspend me just ta espend e ways like just going back to the going back toread to the courtes as well able or you system, dober op biing, these players,comen trule. I think that's the way. I think that needs a big kind of a lookou as well as ar is our qourters will in Ou. You system is Mac, Madison,downidy, good Noug to be there ar do. Need a whole change comme like that ImGonno by our Munich, Stin, half or them that's the probe. Would we canly Kekeep Hem Don Ote yeah? There must be dicent enough players at that age offartiking that teams a coming an for them. As you said, Maklick eactly nopass for for the young players, come the young players comn in to the forstteam and an that's why? I think we actually need a director football tohave that everything in playes from the UGE system right up to the first team,so that were producing these players rice year her a year there thense. Wewant you to stop breakinto the fourst team. That's that's! That should be aplan th. We Need Gong forwr really for the club, inters Y. that's aninteresting point! You make er Po because I think not. The last show thatwe did, but the one before that you had mentioned that you'd read it somewhereor someone had passed it onto you that every youth player Comin into Celtic isgiven a strategy rigt how di Ho, how to live, how to behave, how to Tran? Howto do this and yeah? You know an a past. The first team- and you know it justgoes to show you or at least makes you question. There must be a break down inthat process if it's not happening for Tine live them exactly exactly t tdoresa break down there somewhere willin the use academy and to the first, even notnot just to the first team, read tothe resolves because when they get toresolves, that's where these pairs actually stay and thet don't break intothe first tape after the resolve team, you know the just that's Whel. You needto Manageo it Gocsti by Yon. Is it idea as well? I mean it io forst team squad,Ove got, I mean D Brang young players and I mg need manager, is Goin, O Ri Wan, Ohe bring one young players, a Planin deadne. I take thats Gong like gone bybuying the Poinde wroung players. Really in this that fine players, justfor the sake of it bine plays, are only good enough yeah and it just buked upthe squad and Bol cop. The squad and there's be Ni space in the fourst teams,scoed for kids to get a pot. It's also there was, I think we mentioned on aprevious podcast. It was either the last one, the one before wead said. Youknow these some of these guys were coming in and they knew you dook at theend of the day, if you get a group of young La, if you gon to grip lodstogether, what do they do? They talk to each other? And you know young ladswere coming into the Celtic youth squad. You know guys. WHOD came from otherclubs with big potential and big big promise and so on, and they were comingin and you can bet your life that the...

...lads were ther Esan you to picket meurhopes up. He an end in the last couple of years. I'm referring to Lenan he'snot going to give you a chance. Not Not one of us has has been able to make thebreak through because of him, and you know: Okay, is it done to them? Is itdone to Lenin? Well, they're certainly not going to blame themselves, butthat's the way that chat is going to go amongst a group of lads or a group.Listen a grip of girls done in the pop is exactly the same thing. You knowyou've no chance for him because he didn't like any of us. You know it'sthe same it. You know it's just human nature as the way people think, but Ithink you know one of what is what has proven and is going to be proven as ourmost disastrous signem. In the last four years, Hasben Lenon been in charge for thelast two, because, whilst his intention listen, nobody can diut Ni Lenon'scommitment, O Celtic Ne Lenon is celdic through and through his entire familyor Celtics rouind through, and I know a couple of his extended family only livesix miles away from where I live. I met him once very, very briefly, but someyears ago, when he was a player but Ni Lenon never ever possessed thequalities that were required to work at the level that celdic asked Hem to know.That's a feeling on two sides: It's a feeler, it's a filure in Lenin's partbecause he didn't have the ability. It's a failure on the club's part,because we asked him and we give you know you can say. Well,you can give someone an opportunity, you know, but the same time you knowyou're not going to ask someone who works under production linein a factory on a Friday to suddenly head up the company on the Mondaymorning. It's not going to work because they don't have the experience theydon't know or there it's not just experience. Some people just don't havequality to do the job that they're asked to do thats. I think I thinkthat's what we find the Fana, those the Apas Obvusin Teatgl Theno, no enfiningme an, and you know we get to be Alde, with the ITO. The looking line at TapiPisti, don't think in. I don't think that Lenen Alen ws ably do the Damans.It's been done. A crossic club talk Popo a season single andidly. You don'tthink me. Loane can be blameful an fact. Thank Yo. I don't think you can beblanded of it: Tso Mony, Tha Bot decisions, SMA, O Tybonbut, that'shistory! The main thing is USMIN. Moving forward, Anvin on John I'll, beSertin here. thinking any hos. The money takes o man y may be ButwesteEvidencninwa. SHOULD WE BESA? Well the thing about the thing about Eddi Hi isyou know e clearly what he is considered to be a very forwardthinking coach, but the reality is John. If you were given the choice to appointsomeone of your choice, let's see it cime down to you. Who would you chooseand, more importantly, why would you choose them? NMNO, PORT OU? Now even the Otion atabout Andoe Waswn, POSB SOMDA thatsom that culd restructure that Footballansafe you, the cumen Youve Tevelm, ther somed that can o they could. I, the modal Shell Titha, the more lysilty given binging the Best Uso Europe blending out we established players isa sat, led UOBN football and the be Obina went wit tep, potentially I don't knowmhat much and is think Marinisn Mloney may even ave got me and made ouen a bit bit been a bit moreattractive to me, but look at listen toss an Oveu TNECK, a the nightye. Ihappy had TS, IE looked TCV and t o OI seasontake N, that's just I'mjust the I'm. Just I'm just a Los Coise I'll,just be Barkit te SEMABTUTLN. Ba Again, I think we al Jo, I think, we're all inthe same position at the end of them all was going to support the club owasGon to Prid to put on the hopes. Om Ral was going to be. You know, stanting atPark head and wishing that we were one of the eleven that was chosen to walkon to the pitch, but you n. So you look for ninety ninepercent of Celtic fans that is going to be ou k. that's what's going to happen,even if we find ourselves doe into the championship of the next few seasons. Tyou know, should shit somethias bizarrs...

...that were to happen, we're still goingto be found to the club, but were all finding ourselves. Just inthat position where there is a lot, there's there's clearly a lot offrustration among Celtic fans and the vast majority of it is rightlyplaced as well, because we feel that the club of latterstine's fans I'Mnot,not just because we've been so used to wenning over Yo, look the leakue forthe last nine seasons. It's the fact that it you know, I think, for a lot of fans. I think I speak on behalf of a lot offans on to say. We feel that we take the club more seriously than the clubtakes itself Yep. He getin with the ARCHEIS OIS car somoving on Te lastquestion, we're going to finish up with Chartes, so John Looking forward to thenext season, with the gap being so close at the moment between ourselfesand Rangers. Are we going to find a Har to win to Tik you back? Next Season Imlanges mean, I probably was that was probably in Mak Sade with that's fun. Idon't think someody was people had suggested done. Taforo was going to TaYears Doun't. I don't see that, but I'm probably my, I think the rate man andyou imagine- I remember the oerpact that Rod just had whenyo came in. We played them and I remember Si in thesunlight day, nothing's changed on the back yeah. The only Te. Only the onlything it's changed. Toget is a man in the Dogot, so that thes put there's nodoing the bit onback that had in sinthat or qualify that getting that emo Wen the Doggoit'sodasvely important the whole. The stoll crasis mack over the support t use tefilming eqripment. You know we es e next Jon part coming tee, Manhammans,obviously awe. I don't see a lot come Toh Liix, an the miute. It was comingthrough leges and like Wik. I can be bill. No, I don't thinkit should date years or fo Egin. I man, you know, there's Abe any things thatthe R but there's another bit in Hedliis. I sommit that the results atHa had in Europe tells me that the SDVC is obviously put somethingtogether there thatt's, maybe what be more credit and I'd? Probably E, won meyeah. That's what we were kin talking about that Rangers this year I watchTVG has start putling to ranges, is actually a structure that the playersknow what they were doing. They were blane players that would fish. I do werange US Clare Johnn, you know itats. If we get Tho write downo have theseplayers playing to wher. He wants Um to play and binging new players that willfist his system. Wellwe I'll go off. I next season. I think you know Solad. Ithink we're going to finish it. Dere JOCASE ICAN on. I just be seen thanksvetty much for I Govan Opportunity. Ye Can Mor than speaking an a hope of notsainded. Then pnisin did make it AOM, set Om Tim, I'm Sesi, Soino and it'saNista. We don't geve any Tiswear, Wut anete people how I am joy. Yes, Ju Jon, Oan, Ol, FurnisJonyo. You know you do bring a wonderful insight and honest. It'sgreat to hear your opinion, and you know it's clearly a very measuredopinion n on how you see Celtical and forward nothink. Most fans would sharethat that that's what we need. We need a measured approach. We need commonsense to apply to it and we need a structure within the club that'll allowthat to go forward so John you're, so much wel, you're, very welcome andyou're. Very welcome on every single future show that we have, if you havetime and the interest O it a oto enjoyed it and thanks otgiving theopportunity for tonight. If you want to get incontact with the shore, please conttact to son e forum, and let us knowbeforehand, if your Comelan for myself Paul. Thank you very much, crisy asellyeah folks. Thank you very much for listening. It's been wonderful to haveyou all coming along this evening. You may not agree with everything we say,but at the end of the day, just remember we are passionate. Celtic fanslike you are on. Please please do keep contributing do keep coming online.Whenever we're the shows are available. Do Post puck messages onto the forumand so on, come on to the show, ask US questions and if you want to come, liveand give your own opinion, then you're more than welcome to do. It was lovelyto see joone tonight and I hope he's the first of manys that Gom and join USmark: okay, Fi, just trike Thi ank Bo basilly for to helpmes, alwayseverybody for Yuin, N and GFP Farbin Relly, my firstrel call IfeeBestejointto pint one an we kan of get ready, im n again thanks everybody for thesubscriptions for over a three hundred, but over three hundred. No, if you've,no subscrined hat the button for is,...

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